Okay, so a reduction in sizing tallies. It said not to add anything to the width and I think I'm in a half way point between last types so I just left it smaller one. I've got a cheap pair of Shimano MTB shoes to test but still tempted by those XC9s. Shimano have worked in the past.
Well, I went down from 52 Shimano to 50 Lake, but they were both 'wide' options
The Shimanos were definitely too long for me, as I had to drill the cleat slots back a little