• have these people still not realised they're not just negotiating with themselves?

    Not yet, but they will eventually.

    The EU don't want us to leave.

    The EU know that Parliament has indicated that it does not want no deal (Spelman's amendment was only advisory, but it is useful in of itself). Coopers amendment was voted down because it had too much baggage (delays/etc).

    The EU will watch us cut off our entire face to spite our limited brains rather than capitulate at this point.

    At least one of the EU27 will veto any request to extend/delay our withdrawal.

    There isn't time before 29th March to negotiate anything radically new (and no unicorns exist to solve the Eire/NI border problem anyway.)

    I can't help but think that May is doing everything she can to end up in a situation where she is forced to withdraw A50 as there isn't sufficient backing for anything (her deal has been voted down by Parliament, no deal is voted down by Parliament, no time to renegotiate a new deal) therefore withdraw A50 is the only option. She'll have to do this under the guise of 'going back to the people' and coming up with a new plan, and the EU will be 'happy' with this (in terms of possible re-invoking A50 at a later date) as it would have the further backing of the country. At which point we'll kick off another few years of constant nonsense, but at least without the impending doom of a hard brexit looming.

    Anyway, that's my delusional thinking.

  • I can't help but think that May is doing everything she can to end up in a situation where she is forced to withdraw A50 as there isn't sufficient backing for anything

    To do that would destroy the Conservative Party at Westminster. Once again Mrs May has chosen party over country. She has given their hard Brexit minority a significant victory. BBC TV showed them heading for another celebration at Rees-Mogg Towers.

    When she and her bedraggled unicorns return defeated from Brussels everyone will blame the dastardly devious foreigners for trying to destroy Our Brexit. Anything Corbyn/Labour do or say can and will be ignored.

    If Brexit destroys the country then Cameron and the Brexiteers will be blamed. If a botched deal destroys the Conservative Pary she and she alone will be blamed.

    I quite liked Ian Blackford's summing up after last night's vote:

    Tonight the Conservative Party has effectively ripped apart the Good Friday Agreement. This House should be ashamed of itself . . .
    Scotland has been sidelined, silenced and shafted by the Tories

    https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/fa6b40ec-a334-405d-8dbb-ea7ea1422619 -from 20:45:49

  • If Brexit destroys the country then Cameron and the Brexiteers will be blamed.

    More likely it'll be blamed on remainer's attempts to block the one true brexit, and the EU of course. Particularly by the Mail, Telegraph and Sun.

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