EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I don't think you're wrong, clearly that is the case for a lot of people. But logically speaking, why is that so?

Considering that the quickest way of angering a large number of people in the UK is to raise the price of a Greggs sausage roll by 20p, or to raise parking charges, one would think that something potentially having a direct impact on the price of goods, and their salaries, would be extremely relatable. Whereas 'taking back control' - what even is that supposed to mean? 'Controlling our borders' - the UK doesn't even have a border like the southern US one where you have a large number of people trying to get through every day, so who exactly is feeling so directly impacted by this that the importance of the economy pales in comparison?

I think a possible answer to that is that to a lot of people, 'the economy' is a bunch of large companies that have been shown to do very well almost regardless of what is going on otherwise, and that don't pay taxes properly etc. Meaning that if you warn people about an impact on the economy, they might not really make the connection to themselves at all - and most (including myself) couldn't care less whether Starbucks makes a few million less in profits next year.

Apologies for my tardy review of this thread.
Squadron 303 were based at RAF Northolt, adjacent to the A40 between
the Polish War Memorial, (to all the Free Polish Forces), roundabout and Hillingdon Circus.

The Squadron used to celebrate successes, (and mourn losses) at The Orchard,
the biggest pub/restaurant in Ruislip,
(now a 'beefeater' style eatery with attached mini-hotel).
Just a couple of years ago, a model Spitfire was erected in the grounds to honour '303'.

Ruislip is part of the London Borough of Hillingdon,
comprising three Parliamentary constituencies,
Ruislip, Northwood & Pinner, Tory, Nick Hurd
Uxbridge & South Ruislip, Tory, Alexander dePfeffel,
Hayes & Harlington, Labour, John O'Donnell.
LB Hillingdon, as a whole voted 'Leave'!

This 'wheeze' almost certainly bears the fingerprints of the odious Gove,
who, for reasons unfathomable to the protagonists and negotiators involved,
has always been resolutely against the GFA.

It has been -made- important.

Refugees streams in mainland EU, that no country can really "control"? Well, make people think is it the exact same thing as these Polish/Lithuanian/Romanians coming in, job done!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/jan/21/brexit-latest-news-mays-statement-mps-commons-deal-will-be-absolute-disaster-says-business-minister-as-may-prepares-to-address-mps-politics-live
@JWestland You have your own personal dividend of £65!
Admittedly it is the cancelling of a charge that should never have been levied,
but,
having been reconciled to paying it,
you are in 'flat earth brexitteur' world £65 better off due to the benevolence of a Tory adminstration.

Two things spring to mind. The first is that many people feel like they haven't seen any benefit (or at least not seen their share of the benefit) in the times when "the economy" was apparently doing well, but have felt the pinch when "the economy" is doing badly. It's hardly surprising then that they don't really care if "the economy" will slump, because they feel like they're getting a kicking either way. There is a real argument about equality here, but somehow people were convinced that the EU was the source of their problems.

The second is that people are genuinely ignorant about the complexity of the supply chains that make their lives easy and cheap and the complexity of the legal/trade agreements that these operate within. They do not realise that the reason that they can buy cheap German lager, Spanish wine, French cheese, and Dutch vegetables is that the EU has done a vast amount of work thrashing out the agreements that make it possible. They simply don't believe that all those laws will actually cease to apply and that getting a new trade deal could take many many year. It's all just Project Fear after all.

I fully agree, those are two big points. As much as it's stupid to just ignore the impact something will have on the economy, part of that is definitely due to how 'the economy' is being handled in media: it's all about big companies making profits we don't notice the impact of, stock values going up we don't profit from, big CEOs getting bonuses we could only dream of. It's not entirely surprising that people don't really buy the impact some changes to the economy will have on them, as much as they're being told that there will be one.

Though that ties in to what @JWestland said - why do these people show distrust when they're being told the economy has an impact on their everyday life, but they are receptive to the immigration 'crisis' being bigged up? Is it just because it's easier to sell physical people as the enemy, and possibly to feed into some latent and not-so-latent xenophobia?

what even is that supposed to mean?

An end to the status quo, which a great number of people were fucked off by.

Not that cutting your own leg off is a great end to the feeling of 'same shit, every day', but hey, it was something that shook things up a bit!

I suspect the SQ can never compete with the endless possibilities of something new, even if a large number of those possibilities end with dear voter picking through the rouble of a radioactive wasteland, a la Threads.

tl;dr referendums are fucking stupid.

This, right?

tl;dr referendums are fucking stupid.

As a Swiss, I have to disagree. They are dangerous, even in a country accustomed to them like Switzerland, but if used correctly (and integrated in the political process correctly), they can be quite useful.

Who was it on here that listed all the lies that were told by the leave campaign.

By you?

"Sir Vince Cable, the Lib Dem leader, says the MoD put 3,500 troops on standby for a no-deal Brexit at the end of last week. What would their rules of engagement be if they have to deal with disturbances?

May says the plan would be to use these troops to replace others, for example on guard duty."

Er wat.

I get that argument but surely people feel more connection / impact from the economy than "take back control". How exactly do they think a slightly different political control position will make any real impact? I find it mind boggling...

rouble of a radioactive wasteland

@Howard
Some might think we are as likely to be blitzed by a Trump nuke.

Military law anyone?

My grandfather was in the Polish army and settled after WW2. His daughter, my mum, voted to leave. Her biggest argument for doing so was that there were too many foreigners working here. She also knew of my plan to move to Spain this year at the time.

I find it hard to think about, even now.

Her biggest argument for doing so was that there were too many foreigners working here.

Well. That sucks.

Boomers man, they lost the god damn minds.

I see that as great integration in to the racist engerland.

Get them a box set of love thy neighbour....call them forin scum.

The economy is important to people but, as everyone knows, the economy is like this great big pot of money that the country owns and if we kick all the foreigners out then we all get more of that money. Your problem is you're all listening to these so called experts pretending that it's all so complicated when the solution is so simple even I can understand it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46950719

May waives £65 settled status fee. It's the smaller issue in the big mess that is the hostile environment but it's a nice gesture and important for low income groups.

Dont read the comments. One gem, the EU is racist cos most of us uppity immigrants happen to be white. So is the population of the UK so...we should refuse UK citizens in mainland EU? Strange logic.

You should show up at a Wests one Thursday and tell me more.

Sucks as the truth is that those forin people make things better. Especially british cuisine.

Spoken like a man who’s never had jellied eels.

Horrible to hear that some knobheads thought they'd make a bomb again. I wonder if they caught the right people and if we'll hear more about what was behind it.