EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

You mean Elon Musk will save the day?!

May calls a couple of cave divers paedos, bosh job done?

He'd only come is handy if he could aim his BFR at the next ERG get together.

So May’s latest batshit mental plan is to attempt to renegotiate the Good Friday agreement so she can placate the right wing nut jobs in the Tory party. This less than 48 hours after a car bomb exploded in Londonderry.

Is there no end to how much she is prepared to fuck up to placate a small group of headbangers?

Fucking idiocy.

This is the worst sensation of "I told you so" I've ever had. One of the first things I said to a Leave voter was that this would end up setting NI back 20 years. The phrases "dissident republicans", "loyalist paramilitaries", "packed with explosives" and "car bombs" would make their way back into the country wide news headlines. We would have a border again and those who needed a reason to kick off and hurt people, would get it. But of course, they didn't vote for that.

I sincerely hope this is a one off.

For people hoping the dead old brexiters and fresh-faced young remainers might make the difference in a 2nd ref remember - young people don't vote

I’m certainly not young and fresh faced but I will vote if I get the chance. I messed up last time, as per my previous post.

That's true up to a point.
However a lot of young voters who were too young in 2016 to exercise their right have had 2 years of this $hit$how and a good chunk of them have come to realise what is fckg stupid, and destructive, idea this Brexit is, and the consequences for that Generation and the ones after that.

Obvs the older generation of Leavers live in the past and look backwards reminiscing of better imperial days.
But IF there's a second vote on the outcome or direction we are going I am (blindly) optimistic that enough people will come out and steer us right.
Ideally, for me, it'd be the revokation of A50 And Remain grand finale.

Really? I wonder if she posted that idea as something seriously worthy of consideration, or if she put it forward knowing it was just something to get the papers to talk about for the day, and that she'd be one day closer to B-Day.

I assume that it would take longer than the two months they've got to ever even get either party into the same building to start to talk about whether they should negotiate that particular treaty.

Bollinger is gross. If he had half a brain he’d get home delivery from Lasseaux.

I assume the Bollinger is just for guests.

Admittedly the sample size is small, (=1),
but,
mespilus jr. was born in 2000, so was ineligible for the 2016 Referendum.
Rest assured, should he get the opportunity to vote in a subsequent referendum,
he will vote Remain.

Dead people are even less likely to vote though, so there is that. Weather is turning colder too, which should help.

Link#?

She has denied this, apparently

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-theresa-may-richard-harrington-conservatives-vote-parliament-commons-a8738131.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-considers-rewriting-good-friday-13883325

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/20/exclusive-theresa-may-mulls-amending-good-friday-agreement-get/

If there is a no deal Brexit, things going to be -interesting- in Belfast. And potentially downright dangerous in Derry/Londonderry.

I hope to be accepted for UK citizenship in time, if there is a second vote.

Could not vote last time, or I would have been out for sure.

@ffm 's comment generated some historical research. He wrote

[the EU] not giving the UK what we deserved, because "we won the war for them" and "they need us more than we need them"

Consider the Battle of Britain which we won by a small margin. 20% of the fighter pilots on the British side were not from Britain. 10% of them came from what are now EU countries. 5% of them were Polish fighter pilots with considerable combat experience. The "Polish" Squadron 303 had the highest success rate of any in the RAF. Actually the immigrants "won the war for us".

Preaching to the choir

young voters who were too young in 2016 to exercise their right have had 2 years of this $hit$how

Anyone able to estimate what the demographic shift will have been?

Oh, it's a completely bollocks argument for sure. Leavers don't seem to understand that we will have literally no special status in relation to the EU when we leave. The fact that we lost a lot of people during the last war is simply irrelevant to this negotiation, no matter how much we care about it as a country. If deaths in WW2 was a relevant factor then Russia/USSR should be given extra special treatment, since they lost roughly 20 times the number of military personnel that the UK did.

As can be seen at the memorial @ N Weald ...

But how many of these hardcore brexiters exist?

The people that are somewhat in the middle probably swing the vote.

I think that the number of people who thoughtfully favour a WTO brexit hasn't vastly changed. I think that the middle who voted for Brexit have become hardened into an "any Brexit will do" mentality. I think very few of them would have had any inkling that we would be where we are 2+ years after the referendum, but so much of the leave campaign was based on emotional responses ("had enough of experts", "take back control", "project fear") that the actual endpoint isn't important as long as they (nominally) get what the voted for. I really can't see how to reverse this trend since, as the saying goes, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

I was talking to someone who complained that a large part of Remain's argument for staying in the EU was "the economy". I pointed out that it was pretty important but their view was that it might be important but it's not that easy to relate to and equate to how it would impact the individual.

I think it was a fair point. It is an important issue but for many it's not as relatable as "take back control", "controlling our borders", etc and Remain haven't necessarily adjusted to this.