EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

A referendum with realistic, informed choices

One of my disagreements with the other opinion piece is that I think most people vote 'from the heart' and more information will not change that in a rational way. It will still be an emotional response.

Anyone watch question time?
A referendum will change nothing.
People are entrenched and want to leave

The audience at QT is not a representative sample of the UK population. They're a bunch of self-selecting weirdos. (Mixed with people chose specifically to be provocative and possibly push specific agendas).

Month 12 - Property prices hit 10 year lows nationwide. 20 year lows in London. Middle classes become feral, with roaming packs of blazered children scavenging the local tips for hummus and discarded Play store gift cards.

Anyone watch question time?

Yes, lots of Gammon, but it was Derby, which voted leave 60/40 so to be expected.

But isn’t that the issue, despite the lies of the leave campaign becoming apparent people still wish to leave.

Leave was presented as a realistic option which could be beneficial. Even though leave is now demonstrably disastrous people are still wanting it.

It’s like falling in lust with someone, and you have a fantasy idea of what life with them would be like. You then go on a few dates and they make comments that leave alarm bells ringing that this person could be disastrous relationship material. Though by this point you have now invested time and money in going on a few dates and still want to get your end away and proceed into a terrible relationship.

Anyone watch question time?

Just like Facebook I've decided to exclude it from my life now. Maybe if it was earlier but it's no good going to bed with that much rage in you. Not healthy, was only watching it to get angry.

I’m going to say not quite to a huge property crash. When the pound gets to a dollar it will trigger a huge inflow of money buying property. Especially in London. (Because it did in the mid eighties). So in sterling terms the prices will only fall a bit but could be at 10/20 year lows if you convert them to pre/post crash dollar values.

Can't be true. I've been reliably informed that Brexit will stop foreigners buying up all the property.

Wow - my first marriage was Brexit.

It’s like falling in lust with someone, and you have a fantasy idea of what life with them would be like. You then go on a few dates and they make comments that leave alarm bells ringing that this person could be disastrous relationship material. Though by this point you have now invested time and money in going on a few dates and still want to get your end away and proceed into a terrible relationship.

@cake thinks this about me

Yeah.
Pretty grim viewings
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hallelujah !

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/uk-will-be-open-to-best-and-brightest-from-india-under-new-immigration-strategy-minister/articleshow/67560717.cms

kinda enjoying post-colonial strong arm-ing, brown people will be the enemy in 2022 GE

Hah yeah. This.

It used to be better, I thought.

10/10 analogy.

Send an email to Jim Allister, he'll build one out of bowler hats ;)

This really is excellent and well worth a read;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/18/europe-brexit-britain-state-politics-fit-for-purpose

Me: talking bollocks - delete!

Good analogy, but I think a lot of Brexiters are still thinking along the 'Project Fear' lines - alarm bells aren't ringing because they don't pay serious attention to the news or still believe all the news about Brexit being a disaster are Remainer lies. Same result though- they're not going to change their minds.

is it fuck

excellent

Also not helped by the highly negative forecast for the point immediately following a brexit vote (500-800k job losses, drop in GDP) which didn't happen. This means that people now point at other forecasts and use that to justify they'll be wrong too.

It will still be an emotional response.

R4 World at 1 has a piece on Brexit in Sunderland.

Listening to the interviews it doesn't give you much hope. One person said; "I voted leave and expected that 2 days later we'd have left. It's been 2 years of dithering".

It's hard to know what to say to people with that level of understanding.

Well, step one would be to make sure we don't have referendums on extremely complex matters.

True, but thanks in part to a shitload of quantative easing... and a lot of jobs are already gone/going.

"oh no this can happen"
sensible people take action, change course, most of the danger averted
"project FEAR"

At some point the sensible people may just give up taking action :)

Using macroeconomic predictions is always risky though, cos you can give them if XYZ don't change too much. The latter is often forgotten about/not heard in the first place. Job losses/factories closing/banks going is concrete.