That Corbyn fella...

I think the point Stafford is making is a fatuous one but anti-semitic? Am I the only person who didn't know Fry had Jewish ancestry? Is it not possible to accuse a Jew of avarice without it being anti-semitic?

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ah rowling. queen of the centrist mums.

don't @ me etc.

Incredible...Who would make the best Prime Minister?

3-4 December
Theresa May: 35%
Jeremy Corbyn: 24%

6-7 January
Theresa May: 38% (⬆️3%)
Jeremy Corbyn: 20% (⬇️4%)

Incredible

Really? Why?

Outside of this thread most people I've encountered see JC as two or more of the following;

• a joke
  
• weak
  
• indecisive
  
• dangerous economically
  
• dangerous from a security POV
  
  

May on the other hand as much as she's loathed by everyone in politics and written off by the media, has basically stood her ground and soldiered on through a quagmire of shit.

That's an image that resonates with the public and especially with the British mentality.

May's weakness is her strength.

Someone else works....

The Tories, on both/all three sides of the Brexit debate, (TMay WA, NoDeal, Remain), have shown impressive solidarity in remembering to include in each media appearance the warning that failing to back 'the PM' would result in a 'Corbyn-led Marxist government'.
This of course goes without challenge from the supine interviewers.

Maybe Labour should call a vote of no confidence in Corbyn again. Just to complete the full house.

I think that will be called a General Election ;-)

At a moment of national crisis, when he has the worst PM in modern times on the ropes and simply has to apply the knockout blow, he asks her about education funding.

Can the Labour Party please put him (and is) out of his misery.

I liked the way that after the vote despite the crushing defeat for May she looked kinda calm and prepared and he looked flustered and quite bonkers, choppily reading from his notes then rising to a weird rage at the end. Curious.

He still can't actually do anything can be? Until there is a general election, he's powerless. I guess that's pretty frustrating.

May's hands are also bound, but at least she has put forward a workable proposal. Corbyn wants to get into government first and then renegotiate but there is no indication his negotiation would be any better at satisfying everyone. I can see how that feels like kicking the can down the road.

I would say May has bound her own hands.

Corbyn is also tying his hands with his comments on Freedom of Movement.

No FOM
No Single Market
Bye, bye services

A CU/SM solution will still lose banking, and Euroclearings if France feels like grabbing it again. [last time the EJC stopped them because the UK was in the EU...that will no longer be the case] It is merely damage limitation over May's WA but yeah, he needs to be clear then he is going for that.

Well, anything around 2% is good going on LFGSS.

So an entirely predictable outcome, and now May is in a position where she can have the moral high ground over Corbyn because of winning the vote.

He had the political advantage for 24hrs before he lost it again.

He's utterly useless as a leader of the opposition, and as any kind of meaningful opposition to the government's autocratic and disastrous handling of brexit.

If labour had a better leader, very hard to see how we'd be in quite the mess we are.

The strategy agreed by conference was to oppose the deal, try for an election (a confidence vote) and after that consider all other options. So he had no choice but to table the vote. He would have looked pretty chicken had he not.
I'm not sure how winning by 19 votes, half of them bought from the DUP, gives May the 'moral high ground'.

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That strategy didn’t take into account Gardiners view that Labour keep tabling NC motions until one works, pushing any attempt to schedule a referendum beyond March 29th

Gardiner is not leader of the party.

It means ( whatever you do to dig behind the result) May can say she won and has govt backing.

Maybe he was following strategy, but if so it was a rubbish one.

If labour had had a 'better leader', or at least one that had not been so constantly vilified by the press, Theresa May would not have called a snap election in 2017 and her deal would likely have got through parliament already.

Corbyn's far from perfect but it seems that he just can't win in some people's eyes. If he hadn't called the vote of no confidence (which was agreed at conference), then he would have been labelled a coward. Now he has, and he's been labelled as a tactical ignoramus. The idea that May has the moral high ground because she bought the votes of the most reactionary party in UK politics to keep her afloat is laughable. This is of course compounded by the spinelessness of the Tory MPs who overwhelmingly voted against her deal yesterday, only to cling to power for their own sakes today.

Votes of confidence are not that important - unless you say you want an election but then don't call one. I'm sure the right wing press wouldn't have had any fun with that. No one expected May to lose. After all she won the confidence of her own party only a few weeks ago and even the MPs who voted against her then made it clear they wouldn't vote against their own party later on.
Her defeat over Brexit far outweighs her victory today.

pushing any attempt to schedule a referendum beyond March 29th

22 weeks is the shortest timeframe for a referendum allegedly (from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399). That's way past 29th March and past the EU elections in May so asking for an extension from the EU is going to get vetoed by at least one of the EU27.