• Sorry, but you are wrong. I think you are confusing revocation with extension.

    Revocation is exactly that- and extension is as the name suggests, an extension. Their is zero suggestion that the EU would grant an extension for a re-negotiation of the WA, but every suggestion that they would for a referendum- as long as it had sensible choices such as Mays WA or remain. They won’t grant an extension for WA vs no-deal, for example.

    If Corbyn got into government by the end of Feb the EU might grant an extension to ratify the terms of the WA, but there is no suggestion that they would re-negotiate it at this late stage. Everything else aside there’s simply no time as the extension would be bounded by the European elections in May.

    Finally, why grant an extension when Labours rhetoric has been to achieve the impossible? What would the point be? And, finally finally, the WA is not the future agreement. It doesn’t bind us to a future without the SM, or Norway+, or anything else- it simply stops us ruining Ireland if we continue to demand the impossible.

  • We're saying pretty much the same thing, the difference is down to the politics and the hard stance that the EU is currently taking against May's Government and her WA.

    (I think some of the confusion is that by 're-negotiate' I'm including the option of a completely new deal proposed, possibly from a completely new Government.)

    The extension is a red herring as, I agree, nothing can be done in the scant time available and May doesn't have the wiggle room to get a deal through given the red lines she won't go back on (back down too much and too many Tories will rebel and vote it down, don't back down enough and Labour will vote it down). And the EU don't want to renegotiate her deal.

    The question (I'm posing) is whether the UK can revoke A50 and then resubmit later.

    Logically they must be able to, for if the UK ends up revoking A50 the inability to ever submit A50 again would mean the UK would be permanently stuck in the EU.

    From there it becomes a question of what conditions (and timescales) are involved that would allow the UK to resubmit A50. I would suggest that a considerable change in the UK Government backed up by another referendum would be enough, and that would be the option that a future Government would/could take. (Ideally, as a remainer, I'd hope that a second referendum would be phrased in such a way that the whole notion of Brexit is canned once and for all, or for another 10 years or so.)

    Put it another way, if the UK revoked A50 and then said to the EU "We'll have most of what we have now, you can take away our special deal concessions and we'll continue to pay in to the EU like we do now" then the EU would snap at the chance. At that point it reminds me of this apocryphal exchange: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/03/07/haggling/

  • The question (I'm posing) is whether the UK can revoke A50 and then resubmit later.

    I don't think there was anything to suggest that we can't do that after the ECJ made there ruling just before Christmas. I just can't see how the tories would be able to do it without alienating the majority of there voters and we only have time for the tories to do this now.

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