EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Notice the use of "may".

It would also make a no-deal Brexit harder to mitigate, which would motivate voters away from May.

If his words and actions are not good enough for you, I'm not sure what evidence will satisfy?

I'm done.

We can't state what the motivation is, only what the action was.

It's equivocal - you are basing your argument on interpretation of evidence, rather than evidence.

I'm not sure what evidence will satisfy?

Something unequivocal.

How the fuck do these people operate in the real world??? https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1082996064179970053?s=20

Why would Corbyn go to the Queen with a coalition government when he wants a GE?

There is clearly an anti no-deal Brexit majority in Parliament and probably in the country. There is no clear majority for any of the options on offer.

If there is to be a coalition government it won't be Corbyn led. There would be lots of volunteers to be PM, Cooper, Soubry, Starmer etc. A government of national unity (the GNU option) seems a remote option at the moment. The level of chaos would have be racked up a few more steps, maybe tomorrow.

The leader in the LRB says that it was agreed at the Labour Party conference that firstly a push for no confidence would be initiated and if that failed then Corbyn would back a second referendum.

It argues that, despite his personal position, he is so beholden to process that he is likely to do so.

He has now stated that he’ll ask for no confidence if May’s deal is voted down.

LOLz https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/1083021730812186630

After the Grieve amendment, do you think TM would dare delay the vote again in order to avoid defeat/confidence motion etc or is that a step too far even for her?

I don't think the Grieve amendment has any effect on when the vote is held. Just if its defeated she has to return with a plan b in 3 days rather than 3 weeks.

If anything it could make it more likely she delays again, perhaps until the 28th March, Russia roulette brexit.

Yes - that's what I meant. Being cornered into coming up with a plan B in 3 days gives her a reason to delay again. Scenes if she does though.

But only 90 mins to debate said plan smacks of petulance?

I think she’d lose a no confidence vote if she did this. Some of the more remained focused Tories, would vote against her to prevent a hard Brexit.

From this Government? I’m shocked.

Completely out of character.

I'm still not sure any of these skirmishes mean anything.

Because process simply aids delay towards running out of time?

I don't know. I'm sure the amendments that passed were good ones, but I can't see how they affect the big picture. We'll know more after the 15th, if that vote actually happens.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/10/corbyn-says-labour-may-need-to-delay-brexit-if-it-wins-snap-election

“The real divide in our country is not between those who voted to remain in the EU and those who voted to leave,” he said. “It is between the many, who do the work, create the wealth and pay taxes, and the few, who set the rules, reap the rewards and so often dodge taxes.”

100% fantasy

^ in relation to OS's Corbyn quote? Or the story?

The quote's fine, I agree with that - it's all the rest.

The EU have stated that the WA is final, even if they were lying when they said that, a Barry Gardiner customs union is impossible, as is a Corbyn single market - which is painfully obvious to anyone who has been following the process. So - why would they re-open negotiations that they have stated are closed, to negotiate the impossible?

It's lunacy.

The choices are, no matter the government, May's WA, no-deal, or remain/referendum.

With, possibly, an A50 extension to allow Corbyn's new government to ratify May's WA, but that would have to be the deal - extension for ratification.

Perhaps I'm being really thick, wtf does 'WA' stand for ?

I get that its in reference to Mays deal, but can't work out what it standard for.

Withdrawal Agreement.

'Withdrawal Agreement'