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Yeah at that point we're back to square one:
1) UK and IE will be under different rules as not in the EU together anymore
2) UK and NI can't really be treated differently
3) IE and NI can't really be treated differently due to GFA
This basic issue is not only relevant for the customs question, but also for lots of other stuff, and for all the talk of 'backstops' to cover the problem up I still have not heard how they are proposing to solve this fundamental incompatibility.
Or am I missing something?
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Well, it needs a legal eagle to figure out what's what. So I am not even so sure what should be exactly the same and what not... but there are definitely risks.
Human rights groups are saying some things really need more fleshing out, so there is definitely "other stuff" concerns coming from different fields.
And not sure anything is actually done as the UK is still going round in circles chasing its own tail.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46757459
DUP voting against May's deal. Because "Republic of Ireland won't make a hard border anyway". Ah, can't beat the maturity of the DUP eh? All this is just a game of chicken!
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^They're planning on holding 10,000 HGV's "on a routine basis", for reference the figures from Dover Port show that they transit (an average of) 7,200 HGV's per day, so that capacity is a day and a half (allowing transit) per lorry.
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I read earlier that lorries from Switzerland that travel to the UK are held at the border for between one and five hours, depending on the level of checks to permit a non EU vehicle to enter the UK.
This does not bode well for a hard brexit.
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And brothels. No disrespect to the haulage industry intended.
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But they must be expecting to fill it up to that level... What then? I've read less about how they're going to increase the speed of clearing them.
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We're into the unknown then I suspect. I imagine ferry sailing times are going to become somewhat stochastic given the delays, unless the Captain is going to sail with only 1/3rd of the planned HGV's onboard, which will cause ever ramifying delays to everything and everyone trying to cross.
On a different note:
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46777987
So the vote is confirmed for 15 January. So that leaves us with 7 peaceful days until another reading the news and witnessing yet another political Omnishambles, while the crew argues about rearranging the deckchairs on The Titanic.
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stolen from reddit - a list of quoted reasons for voting for the brexits:
1.“To reduce the length of the political food chain and bring democracy back within clearly defined borders of control.” (James Jackson, Medium)
- “Because of all the EU laws that we have no say in.” “Name one.” “There’s loads. Too many to list.” “Name one.” “…” (Caller to LBC radio station)
- “As a protest vote.”
- “Because I want it to be a close result.”
- “It [Sunderland] already is [a giant jobcentre]. That’s why I voted Leave, to put everyone else in the shit like us.” (Twitter)
- “To stick it to the toffs.”
- “To give Cameron a bloody nose.” (Express website)
- “To give Cameron a better negotiating position.”
- “Because the EU closed the coalmines.”
- “Because I thought we had been in long enough.”
- “Because I had the hump.”
- “Because now our lads will get out of prison, ‘cos there will be jobs for them.”
- “The main reason I voted out was because the EU parliament aren’t elected representatives. The second is, they pass laws that affect us, but we aren’t given a say. Third, we need to sort our own house out” (Joanne, Facebook, giving exactly the same — factually wrong — reason in three different ways)
- “Because I felt uncomfortable when a group of brown people got on the bus the other day.” (Family member)
- “Because the EU made them change Marathons to Snickers.” [That decision was taken by Mars, not the EU.]
- “Because they banned our bendy bananas.” (Express website) [The EU introduced a law stipulating that bananas should be given different classifications depending on their curvature. No fruit was ever banned, just classified differently.]
- “Because fishermen now won’t have to throw fish back in the water and Muslim women will no longer be told by their husbands not to wear make-up.” (Caller to LBC) [The exact effect of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU will have on fishing waters and quotas must wait until nenotiations are complete, but we will still need agreements with out neighbours, and limits to prevent overfishing, which our neighbours will probably wish to remain broadly the same.]
- “Because I’ve lived here all my life and when I was growing up, that street over there was filled with shops.” (TV documentary)
- “To stop the Muslims immigrating here.” [Migration is unrestricted within the EU. But individual nations are responsible for setting their own limits on immigration from non-EU countries, such as those where the majority of citizens are Muslims. Leaving the EU will have no direct effect on the number of Muslims coming to the UK.]
- “Because I want our old lightbulbs back!” [The EU has placed restrictions on the sale of old-style incandescent light bulbs in a bid to reduce energy wastage and slow global warming.]
- “Because vaccines should not be mandatory.” [The EU has never passed any law making vaccination mandatory, even though vaccination is widely regarded as being a pretty good idea. Some European countries have done so of their own volition.]
- “Because the Queen said.” (Pro-Brexit Facebook group)
- “Because we should not be signing up to TTIP.” [TTIP is a trade deal between EU and America, which the EU has just put on hold. After the UK leaves the EU, most commentators believe it will sign up to a similar deal with the US, probably with fewer checks and balances.]
- “Because we are like Germany, and Germany isn’t in the EU.” [Germany was a founding member of the EU.]
- “Because the country is full.”
- “To annoy my wife.”
- “It will be an adventure!”
- “Because the value of the euro is going to go down.” [Even if it were true, this would not have a marked effect on the UK’s economy. Since the vote, sterling is down 18% against the dollar and 15% against the euro.]
- “So that I can get cheap photovoltaic panels from China.”
- “Because otherwise, 7 million Turks will come over here.” (Caller to LBC radio station) [Turkey would never have been able to join the EU so long as Britain used its veto.]
- “Because I am fed up with being ruled by unelected bureaucrats.” [The EU parliament is directly elected in regular European elections. The European commission —essentially the union’s civil service — recruits its own members.]
- “Because I didn’t want my sons to have to join a European army.” [The EU would never have formed an army so long as Britain exercised its veto. Even if it did, conscription would be a political and practical impossibility.]
- “Because there’s too many Pakistan [sic] people in Glasgow.” [I repeat: EU membership has no bearing on immigration from outside the EU.]
- “Because it takes more than 5 litres of water to flush my shit away.”
- “Because EU taxes are making our petrol more expensive than everywhere else in Europe.” [No, those would be taxes imposed by the UK’s government. The EU plays no part in setting national tax rates.]
- “To send them women in the headscarves back home. One of them stole my mother’s purse.”
- “Because I don’t like what the EU is doing to Africa.”
- “Because I’m scared of black people. They’re so physical.” (Mother-in-law of member of Facebook group) [The mechanism by which leaving the EU will rid the UK of black people is unclear.]
- “I don’t want to send money to Greece. I don’t care about Greece.”
- “Because the EU does nothing for us.” [Estimates of the value of EU membership to the UK vary from £31bn to £92bn per year.]
- “Because the EU has devoted 26,911 words to the regulation of cabbages.” [Seems quite a minor thing to sacrifice 10% of your pay packet for, but in any case, it’s bollocks. There are at present zero words in EU legislation specifically governing the production or sale of cabbages.]
- “Because our prisons are full of Polish rapists.” [As of March 2016, there were 965 Polish nationals in British prisons. That’s out of a total Polish population of just over 800,000 — so 0.12% of all Poles here are convicted criminals. The total number of prisoners is around 95,000; about 0.14% of the population as a whole. I can’t find any figures broken down into both ethnicity and crime.]
- “Because the roads in Oxfordshire are full of potholes.” [Technically, such matters fall within the local council’s purview.]
- “Because the EU is anti-semitic.”
- “So that we can go back to the way Britain was in the 50s.”
- “Because they sold off the water, gas and electricity.” [Once again, that would be the work of the UK government, not the EU.]
- “Because I couldn’t decide, and my boyfriend voted Remain.”
- “Because schools are no longer allowed to hold nativity plays in case they offend Muslims.” [Utter crap.]
- “Because the EU spent £13m on art last year."
- “Because they never vote for us in Eurovision.”
- “Because if we stop all the immigrants using the NHS, it will work properly again.”
- “So we don’t have to queue at the doctor’s.” [There is no clear consensus on the impact of immigration on the health service. Undoubtedly, more people in a country means more people to treat. But it is widely agreed that migrants to the UK are on average younger and healthier than the local population, that inward migration is good for the economy, which gives us more money to spend on the NHS, and that without migrant workers — 24% of doctors and 12% of nurses were not born in the UK — the health service would collapse. Besides, the ageing resident population is by far the biggest strain on health services.]
- “Because I want a more powerful hoover.” (via Facebook group)
- “Because the EU is going to ban toasters, and I love toast.” (BBC interviewee) [The EU has never threatened to ban toasters. It is, however, considering a limit on the amount of energy that household appliances can use, in a bid to reduce the effect on the environment.]
- “So we can have our electrical sockets low down by the skirting rather than have to put them little higher up the wall.”
- “Because they are building houses for Filipinos and it’s blocking the view from my kitchen window.”
- “Because I don’t understand politics. This is what my friends suggested.”
- “Because there’s too much traffic in Sittingbourne.”
59.”Because they tell me I need scaffolding to clean my guttering.” [Really not sure where this information came from.] - “Because I fancied a change.” (Caller to Radio 4 programme)
- “My uncle voted Leave because his sister told him to.”
- “Because the European Parliament building is the same shape as the Tower of Babel, which is anti-Christ.” (Facebook group’s family member)
- “So all the fucking Chinks will leave.”
- “Because the ensuing recession is going to bring house prices down, and I can’t afford to buy a house.”
- “Because I want to buy sweets in ounces, not grammes.” [The UK adopted the metric system before entering the then European Economic Community. In any case, there’s nothing stopping shops selling things in imperial measures as well as metric.]
- “Because they don’t pay for NHS prescriptions in Wales and Scotland, and that’s not fair.” (Manchester resident, in TV interview) [Again, nothing to do with the EU.]
- “So that I don’t have to pay the bedroom tax.” [The bedroom tax was imposed not by the EU, but by … oh, can’t you guess by now?]
- “Because I’m fed up of the French burning our lamb.” (Frank, Twitter)
- “Because I want to use my teabag twice and the EU won’t let me.” (Aunt of friend of commenter) [This was another falsehood peddled by Boris Johnson.]
- “Because of all the EU laws that we have no say in.” “Name one.” “There’s loads. Too many to list.” “Name one.” “…” (Caller to LBC radio station)
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So that then stuffs Irish in NI as that becomes BrexitLand.
But according to the GFA Irish in NI have the same rights as Brits in NI. So by Brits (England basically but not London or NI Or Scotland and no longer Wales either) going BrexitLand everyone gets downgraded...fairly ;)
Equality strikes ;)