EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

One word....Norway....not perfect but then everyone bar Brexit extremists would have been 'happy' or at least have something...left Eu but still in SM,CU and still FoM and no hard border in Ireland....She chose to become PM after Cameron buggered off and no one really opposed her....she is responsible and the buck stops with her....Lancaster House speech...redlines..etc etc..all she has ever done since 2016 is appease the Brexit extremists....she talks of a Brexit dividend and has not called out the £350 million on the red bus going to the NHS....she was a Luke warm remained and I have no sympathy for her....all she has displayed is stubbornness and hubris.

One word....Norway....not perfect but then everyone bar Brexit extremists would have been 'happy' or at least have something

Well remainers would be unhappy at the lack of say in EU decisions, so only soft-Brexiters would have been happy. I completely agree that her stubbornness, pandering to the hardline Brexiteurs and failure to say anything meaningful is utterly infuriating, but she's not ultimately responsible for people's expectations of having their cake and eating it. Those are a result either of the referendum campaign or of what others have said since.

I disagree....the pointless GE of 2017.....her fixation on FoM....her appeasement of uber Brexiteers....and she appointed Johnson and cakeism stems from him....read the Lancaster House speech...again her redlines....her abrasive behaviour....after Salzburg....May is pm...the Brexit negotiations ...first no deal is better than a bad deal and now a bad deal is better than no deal....when we have the best possible deal already....EU membership.....even Chamberlain built enough Spitfires and Hurricanes to enable Britain to 'win' the Battle of Britain....the buck stops with her.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/17/observer-view-on-brexit-the-people-must-have-a-say

The problem with the Norway model is that since immigration was/is such a hot topic, as soon as any proposal that kept FOM was suggested, it was immediately shouted down as 'not the Brexit The People voted for'. Which sadly might actually be true.

This coupled with the fact that the freedoms can't be separated makes any form of soft Brexit seem impossible to me.

This country needs immigration. The more politicians who make this point, the better.

There is a very simple way to place some controls on FOM, it's within EU rules to register all immigrants on arrival, only allowing those who have proof of a job to stay.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/new-evidence-emerges-of-steve-bannon-and-cambridge-analyticas-role-in-brexit

I don't really trust "the people" to vote for anything that's actually in their own interests

And how quickly would the votes of no confidence have come in then? I don't think she would have survived suggesting some kind of Norway deal, never mind anything else that you mention - which is why she didn't say anything specific at all for so long. She was sitting on this powder keg all along. The whole thing was doomed to fail one way or another.

Maybe she wouldn't have survived a Norway type deal but it shows her primary purpose is keeping the Tories in power and not the national interest.

Sadly you might be correct but I'd rather trust in the people at the moment than May, Loathsome, Failing Grayling, Slimey Gove, Cheating Fox and Rudderless and Fatty Mordaunt.

For sure. She's a Tory, I didn't think that part was even up for debate - they look out for themselves first, the party second, and their friends third. With very few exceptions.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/17/peoples-vote-1979-scotland-devolution-referendum

Fatty? Really?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/17/labour-gains-lead-over-tories-opinion-poll

This is the reason for Cameron's famous speech where he wanted the Tories 'to stop banging on about Europe'. He/his financial backers/ his political strategists had noticed that blue-on-blue EU whingeing always cost the Tories in the polls. Of course he was never in a position to isolate the remnants, and their newer recruits, of John Major's b4st4rds, and ended up, after GE2015, being bounced into a refrendum.

Corbyn doesnt know how he would vote in another referendum, sorry but that's not good enough.

Really! She was the one whose big lie during the referendum was 'Turkey is about to join the EU...beware'....so she is nasty bit of work...ok, less of the bit...a nasty big piece of work....who has been rewarded for her lies.

Well it must be noted because she is pretending to act in the national interest and no one in the media us calling her out....Brexit since 2916 has been her party on her watch...her responsibility.

I'm afraid I fail to see what relevance calling her 'fatty' has to any of her lies.

If you want to raise the level of political discourse, refrain from playground insults.

And please stop being so pompous and supercilious.

Fatty Mordaunt.

nasty bit of work...ok, less of the bit...a nasty big piece of work

you can do better than this

Maybe..but I am angry with these people single handily ruining my children's futures....read all my comments above and you will see what I mean....am I being tribal? yes...I am with Nye Bevan...The Tory party are lower than vermin.

To be fair the full quote was the he didn't know how he would vote as he didn't know what the options would be. Evasive, but reasonable.

Bit of slack?
The next couple of weeks, could if we are lucky, see the Tories split into the Atlanticist bexitteurs (ERG, previous Atlantic Bridge members, remnants of John Major's b4st4rds, closet kippers & otherwise unspecified anti-Euers), and the (larger?) grouping of closet Remainers, One Nation Tories, pro-EUers.
Admittedly the fear if a Corbyn-led minority government might hold them together for a while longer, but the logical inconsistency of John Redwood & Ken Clarke being in the same Westminster party cannot hold for much longer.
Corbyn cannot afford to set himself up as a target for Tory consolidation aided & abetted by the Tory press.
Ninja edit: too many thatcher kens.