EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Oh I know they want us to stay. I think, given the polling, were the public given the choice, we probably would vote to stay. I think a peoples vote is more likely than not.

This is all just one big game of chicken. The 18 months of negotiation don't need to start again if you want to vary one or two areas slightly. You just keep negotiating...Now, the UK can say...look, this isn't going to fly so if you want this deal to work, we need a bit of movement in x and y. EU might say no, but they might think their interests are better served by a bit of concession.

I work close to the work on the EU Renewable Energy Directive. Negotiations tend to go down to the last minute, rather than being done and dusted weeks in advance.

It would be nice if Brits abroad and furrins in the UK like me wouldn't be screwed by this "last minute panic deal" approach.

Big games of chicken over people rights aren't particularly nice. [though May in her usual form refused to sort this 2 years ago]

Possibly should be in the wtf or fail threads

I hear you on that, but this was always how it was going to go. I can't see how there was ever an alternative path. The pressure of the deadline was always going to lead to a last minute exercise. No one really knowing what they'd voted for when they voted for Brexit was always going to lead to people being disappointed/disenfranchised.

The whole thing is so utterly ridiculous, this situation is as good as anyone could have ever expected.

I hear you on that, but this was always how it was going to go. I can't see how there was ever an alternative path.

Absolutely. As one of those people abroad who's been told by their gracious host country that there are not rights if there is no deal, it's a pretty big deal for me. But... A bit of panic and chaos is necessary if the referendum is going to be overturned in one form or another. Overall I see the last two days as good news (relative to the entire cluster fuck that is UK politics). But I also won't be holding my breath.

100% chance this man has a colnago

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Argh. "As the EU does its worst" - of course, having problems because the country just dropped out of loads of international agreements would have nothing to do with it, it'll be the evil European overlords again.

May refused a sign off on rights in 2016, against the advice of oh, everyone. Because she doesn't want the EJC to mediate, but really, the UK has been SO trustworthy...

Only way out I can see is ringfencing with independent court to mediate, I am not sure why this hasn't happened. Other priorities perhaps, as a no deal would cancel all rights, but still this has been a mess for 2 years and it's not even the hardest thing to sort.

But yeah, I doubt a lot of voters would have expect this to happen because a lot of official leave said nothing would change for immigrants in the EU that are already there. I still don't think it is quite an excuse 2 years down the line, though any leave voter that complains to their MP / donates to rights groups can be excused for their ignorance 2 years ago I suppose.

All this is basically "we lost the house, be glad you aren't homeless but can live in the shed" which was utterly predictable two years ago.
But a lot of people don't give a flying fuck.

PRO Brexit demo called for 1pm.

Please, please, please let there be about 6 gammons there waving a tired banner.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/only-four-people-turn-up-for-ukip-mep-patrick-o-flynns-brexit-protest-outside-downing-street-a3992051.html

And that is also true, this shit rights compromise beats nothing at all. Can you take citizenship, or you haven't done your 5 years yet?

The whole thing is so utterly ridiculous, this situation is as good as anyone could have ever expected.

hah yes this.

Same arrogant contempt BoJo showed when he could have ended the Syria conflict in 2014 but instead thought he was a matter of weeks away from a glorious victory, then saw the Russian army drive slowly over the horizon and park themselves firmly in Damascus.

They always always think history has a special mention just waiting for them, and instead there's only hubris.

Stephen Barclay is the new Brexit Secretary.

Nope, me neither.

The bank guy? Cool

Imagine how wretched he must feel right now.

I mean, imagine if it was you who had just been given that job. I'd accept it and then hand in my resignation. Then burn all of the clothes I was wearing at the time.

David Davis interviewed on R4 today dropped this knowledge:
‘European negotiations aren’t over until they are concluded’

Corbyn is no better though on expecting this to go well if only Labour handled negotiations, the cakeism is strong in many politicians.

But please and thank you is still better for a country's reputation/negotiating mood than demanding and trying to go behind the EU team's back...we complain about our jobs, imagine how Barnier feels ;)

Unless they go full Dad's Army.

Baby Boom Boom Boomers.

Cousin of Gary Natwest?

Stephen Barclay is the new Brexit Secretary.

allegedly chosen because he has never rebelled against anything, ever.
Yes Ma'am!

In other news, Fox, Gove, Grayling, Leadsom and Mordant are going to write a counter proposal to May’s deal next week.

Given the level of competence on display there, I expect us to be fully signed up to Schengen, the Euro and an EU army by Christmas.

One does wonder what ever happened to Cabinet collective responsibility though.

Barclay did indeed work for Barclays
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Iknowrite!