EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

There are only two options available. May's deal or No Brexit.

I don't get the impression that's what the resigning MP's want. They seem to want us to leave with no deal at all.

Back to resignations of the brexiteurs.

On this note:

Another Conservative MP has resigned as a parliamentary private secretary (PPS) over the Brexit deal. This is from Ranil Jayawardena, who was a PPS at the Ministry of Justice.

But that's the thing though, being an outsider, I just know what's actually currently being talked about. NI never really features much these days, most days you might as well not know it's part of the UK at all. I'm sure it was a huge thing back when bombings and bomb threats were happening all the time, but I have been getting the distinct impression that there is a complete and utter lack of interest in NI nowadays, from the side of England especially... plus a lot of genuine ignorance about what's going on there at all (not that I'd claim to be an expert of course).

currently being talked about.

Broadly as long as buildings are not on fire the Westminster village, especially under a Tory administration, will just ignore it.
For more info see Tyneside, Cornwall, Scotland, Wales, the North in general.

@jwestland may be able to help

I have been getting the distinct impression that there is a complete and utter lack of interest in NI nowadays, from the side of England especially... plus a lot of genuine ignorance

For example from the current* Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Karen Bradley:

“I didn’t understand things like when elections are fought, for example, in Northern Ireland – people who are nationalists don’t vote for unionist parties and vice versa,”

.* still in office at 13.32 Thursday 15 November 2018

This actually hurts to read.

Sad Bill

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/leave-voter-cries-apologises-for-brexit/

I just know what's actually currently being talked about.

The super duper TL:DR version
1: Ni voted remain...the vote is split between unionists parties [leave] and other/republican parties [remain]. Reinforcing our identity politics and it was already hard to keep things going.
2: Being part of the single market made all border checks, bar a few random ones, go away. So everybody can sorta pretend Ireland is one thing, which it is not, but for daily life purposes it is. You can be British only, Irish only or both. And they just HAD to kick this particular hornets nest...
3: The republican parties and areas don't trust the English government much. Brexit doesn't help. The Uk government undersigned the GFA and so they MUST ensure it is not broken by Brexit. But who started this shit in the first place? England.

1. Some groups are itching for an excuse to start using violence again
   
2. We haven't had a government for nearly two years, Brexit doesn't help as the local parties trust each other even less now
   
   

In 1978 4 people were killed 200 meters from where I live. Just ordinary people going to shops. And one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. There is still a lot of bitterness and distrust, the GFA gave this place a chance and bought time. Now divisions are enforced again.

Finlan O'toole has done some sterling articles that are free to read he's a good source too.

I'm by now means an expert either, but NI was slowly crawling out of a deep hole with EU cash and help, and now this shit.

Cheers - I was already more or less informed about that, I guess I might have expressed myself in a slightly misleading way: I meant that as a relative newcomer (having followed UK politics for the last decade at most), my perception of what is actually being debated today is untainted by the memories of what happened prior, as is the case with people who've actually lived through things like the IRA bombings. If you've lived through that, NI will most likely be established as a 'thing' in British politics in your mind, and it might be less obvious how completely disregarded and ignored the subject actually is in current politics.

This is purely based on my observations, but I've seen it happen quite a few times that people with some knowledge on the NI situation were talking about it, the GFA, etc., with a certain air of "this is a major thing and really impacts the situation", because, well, it should. In the meantime, I'm sitting here thinking "yeah to you this is clear, but no one in power actually cares at all, never mind being properly informed to the level that their position in government would necessitate".

good post clive

Living through things does not necessarily improve perception, it can also lead to bitterness and distrust.

It is something else if you meet somebody in the park near you who did 15 years for shooting an UVF guy cos they shot one of his brothers. That is 2 miles from my place. He thinks nothing will be fixed until everybody who lived through it is dead and has prejudices against unionists.

Who mistrust the republicans cos saying "sorry" for killing loads of people won't bring anyone back either. And so it goes on.

At least the EU teams are informed and not having this.

Oh yeah for sure. As usual, this kind of conflict is not something that just gets 'solved' and then everyone lives happily ever after. The peace has to be carefully maintained. Definitely not what Westminster is doing.

What a bloody day

not finished yet

At least England saw one over out

This is really turning in a massive farce although looking back it always was.

As the Dutch comedy site deSpeld wrote "hilarious Brexit comedy gets renewed after season one"

Peston reckons 1922 already has 48 no-confidence-in-PM letters, enough to trigger leadership vote

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"If Tory MPs are right when they tell me that by lunchtime today there will be 48 letters of no-confidence in Theresa May lodged by them with Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 backbench committee, what does that actually mean?

Well it is all about how they hate the Brexit plan she unveiled yesterday - or so I am told by rebel Brexiter MPs.

It is their “proof”, if such were needed, that May could not get her Brexit plan approved by Parliament in a “meaningful vote”. The logic is that if they are prepared to vote against her leadership of the party, they are obviously prepared to vote down the deal.

It does not however prove that May would be ousted if she ran in a subsequent leadership contest triggered by the letters. But that is irrelevant to them.

They say it would demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that there are more than enough rebel Brexiter MPs - when allied with furious DUP and Labour - to rip up the terms she has negotiated for taking us out of the EU.

So they think she would be bonkers not to quit or drop her Brexit plan when their blocking minority is so publicly revealed.

We’ll see. She is a fighter, to put it mildly. The chairman of the party Brandon Lewis told me on my show last night that he would want her to stay and fight.

What is on public display is a Tory Party at war with itself beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed.

There is a residual chance that if she gives the performance of her life when selling the deal to the Commons today that some of the rebels could change their mind.

But I would not count on it.

This is how Jacob Rees-Mogg put it to me last night: “There comes a point at which the policy and the individual are so inextricably linked that that argument [against changing leaders] ceases to have any validity. I think we are coming very close to that point… We are not at that point… Well, let’s see what the Prime Minister says in her statement.”

Rees-Mogg added that if he puts in a letter calling for her to go - which I would be staggered if it is long away - he will not do it in secret like most of his colleagues but will make a public statement."

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So May goes
Then some delusional career politician thinks they can get a better deal
They can't
Now it is nearly March 2019
EU is fedup with this bullshit
Chaos ensues or at the brink of doom the UK sees sense

Coming soon to a real life near you!

probably

I pray JRM doesn't just become leader

he's too much of a sneaky cnnt