EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

lol.

Shocking isn't it?

Also I love how people personalise it. 'I voted for this..., not this...' if only everyone else did.

wow

wow, brexit is done
who'd have thought it

An interesting analysis of the stupidity driving Brexit in the Irish Times. Fintan O'Toole divides ignorance into three separate categories, deliberate ignorance, inferred ignorance and the kind of genuine unadulterated ignorance exemplified by Nadine Dorries.

Or is it?

I feel like I am missing a big bit of information today:

What is the actual deal? What is being proposed?

Does anyone know?

Yes no maybe

Temporary customs union for the UK, CU and some elements of SM for Northern Ireland, if UK leaves CU then NI stays in, unless the EU agrees it can go. UK to keep to level playing field commitments on workers rights, environmental requirements etc or face some sort of sanction.

So... nothing good on services, medicine, and nothing good on banking? I mean, that's only where the UK makes most of its money.

No way this permission of EU thing will fly with DUP. They'll be the death of us.

I can’t see where they are going to get the votes from at this point, it is true.

Also just waiting for SNP to ask for same deal as NI has come away with.

So... nothing good on services, medicine, and nothing good on banking? I mean, that's only where the UK makes most of its money.

That will be in the trade agreement, which is the next stage in the whole tedious unnecessary pointless and injurious process, assuming they can get the exit agreement sorted first.

Has DUP asked to be rid of Westminster all of a sudden?

So is the plan now to leave now and talk trade later?

So is the plan now to leave now and talk trade later?

That was always the only option available. We must negotiate trade as a third country.

Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow biz-sec, on Breakfast right now, convinced she can break four freedoms if in government.

Hague is a smooth talker tho huh

I know, it's so transparent isn't it.

"If the Torys can't unscramble this omelette then call a GE and give Labour a chance at doing it."

Why doesn't someone actually say : "this shit is impossible and even it weren't it is a bloody stupid idea. Let's have Ref 2.0 with some actual sense being spoken, rather than rabid, illegally funded, fear mongering."

At least the US had midterms and get another vote in 2020. But no, for Brexit it is one vote and then never again.

I can’t see where they are going to get the votes from at this point

Every Brexit vote so far, there's been chit chat and red faced bluster, but they've lined up and voted for them all. Whatever the details of this are it'll go through

It won’t. The DUP will vote against it. The SNP will vote against it. Both LibDems will vote against it. The ERG faction of the Tory party will vote against it. The small Europhile faction of the Tory Party will vote against it. Most of the Labour party will vote against it. A rainbow coalition writ large.

This is the critical vote, if they wave this through we’re fucked and they know it.

The perfect Christmas present for your older relatives

You could perhaps combine it with that tea towel (from a while back)

It doesn’t deserve to go through anyway, it’s a dog’s breakfast of a deal. The logical outcome of May’s self imposed red lines and the pathetic attempt to wriggle out of the position on the Irish border that she signed up to without understanding the implications (or if she did, boxing herself in to a paradox).

Are we fucked yet or not?

It doesn’t deserve to go through anyway, it’s a dog’s breakfast of a deal. The logical outcome of May’s self imposed red lines...

100% this.