EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Cock off, ladle face.

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Am I confused ! All this talk of a sea board and the DUP, aren't they just as against a boarder on the island of Ireland ? if so they have two options, leave light and stay in the customs union or we just have a second vote and remain, well there is a third a united Ireland, but then we're back to a sea boarder.

If we leave with no deal they will have to have a board on the island of Ireland as we have to be able to count everything in and out of the country to comply with WTO or we just open the boards and have totally free trade with everybody (chlorinated chicken etc)

That's my very limited understanding of it anyway.

The DUP would happily cut along the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, before towing Northern Ireland across the Irish Sea in order to crash it into the beach on the other side.

A border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK is, to the DUP, an existential threat. A border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is something they might even welcome.

connections to ensure that a hard brexit has 0 financial implications

A lot of them, but the rest actually have a job whose intensity will increase post Brexit - there will be more politics. So, yeah, they'll be good

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46188790

So there really nearly is an agreement text, again. Now let's see if it IS there and if it will pass the DUP/ERG...and the less loony parts of parliament.

I suspect it's a dud, again. 60 dud/40 no dud.

Expect we'll get some DUP toy throwing shortly. I also imagine after a bit of bluster all the spineless tories will come into line because self preservation is stronger than whatever moral fibre they possess.
Should be an interesting couple of days.

It's the Brexit equivalent of 'squeaky bum time'.

Think it would more likely be ERG toy throwing. There're no NI/mainland borders for them to complain about.

Enhanced regulatory checks on agriculture I have read, and the other thing of note is going to be an immigration border in the Irish sea (there may be one now, I'm ignorant here)

Eh? Ireland and UK are not in Schengen, and ships are already checked you'd think. What is this immigration border for?

The UK report on immigration didn't think that border was a particular issue for EU immigration checks for example. [though that doesn't mean there is 0 people smuggling, but hey, that happens in Calais-Dover lorries too]

Meanwhile somebody on facebook calls the NI border a non-issue. All the fault of the EU for bringing it up and ROI won't implement it anyway. Sigh.

They probably give us in NI a few weeks yeah, but I don't see that wash forever. "oh ireland signed the GFA they won't implement it". Hah, really... who has to work with such responsibility takers.

I'm in no way familiar with the immigration checks, or lack thereof - just parroting something I read on that one.

Are passports etc checked when flying Dublin - London?

I didn't get checked when flying Dublin to Birmingham last month.

Is that universal, or for e.g. would you be asked to show ID if a non-EU citizen? I suppose if they don't check some then they can't really check any, thinking about it.

Most Ireland to uk flights into uk route you past passport controls when disembarking occcasionaly I’ve been asked for a boarding pass but never a passport

Thanks for the info - and presumably there are checks on passports for (say) Paris - Dublin?

"Ireland, along with the UK, is a member of the Common Travel Area. British nationals travelling from the UK don’t need a passport to visit Ireland. However, Irish immigration officers will check the ID of all passengers arriving by air from the UK and may ask for proof of nationality, particularly if you were born outside the UK. You are therefore advised to take your British passport with you."

From here:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/ireland/entry-requirements

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46188790

This suggests, could be reading it wrong, the EU27 also needs to meet about the deal text. Can that mean a rejection?

Popcorn at the ready tomorrow.

Well it's always been the case that the EU27 need to agree to the deal in the end anyway, right?

Speaking to the media in the central lobby, the hard Brexiter Jacob Rees-Mogg said reports of May’s plan seemed to show a “sleight of hand” on the backstop proposal.

"The separate rules for Northern Ireland have been put in one backstop, rather than being in a separate backstop, which if anything is worse than a backstop to the backstop."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/nov/13/brexit-deal-within-next-48-hours-still-possible-but-not-at-all-definite-says-lidington-politics-live?page=with:block-5beb1634e4b016737f1f438d#block-5beb1634e4b016737f1f438d

The separate rules for Northern Ireland have been put in one backstop, rather than being in a separate backstop, which if anything is worse than a backstop to the backstop.

Is this the real world?

Not just nation states either,
remember Wallonia holding up the EU deal with Canada?

All the brexitters are living in a fantasy.

And there we go...

I am ok for customs union With EU, With UK having vote on custom related issues and veto on any EU and third country trade deal.

Why UK govt not negotiating that?

I ... uh ...

(from the BBC comments)