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  • Agree, scrambler is definitely an overdone styling trope. Not that I'm a raging fan, but the Ducati Desert Sled will probably be pretty useful - 8 inches of travel is not to be sneezed at. 450lbs is still a lot of lead to be carrying around though, my XR650R is 300 or so and that thing feels like an absolute tank.

    I think the market is missing out on some proper mid-sized adv bikes, with more off road capability. The Tenere 700 and KTM 790 R Adventure look like they'll be closest to the spot but they're still pretty heavy at 400lbs.

    I'm considerably bemused that Honda just don't tweak the old XR650R platform. Add EFI and the emission gubbins, e-start etc and dress it up in CRF250 Rally style clothes and you've a sub 350lb, 60hp battle tested missile that would sell like hotcakes. Cost peanuts to develop too.

    KTM could do the same with their 690 platform to be fair and dress it in Dakar clothes. Seems so obvious I can't figure out why they haven't done it!

  • New crf450? Think it's around 130kg and 35-45hp 4 stroke and has indicators. £10k though or not far off that price, is too much. Or maybe it's like sports cars, the less stuff it has on it the more it costs?

    Had to stop myself going to look at a BMW g450x enduro (the proper one not the de specced f650 from 2009 era) with only 700 miles on it otherwise I'd have not been able to stop myself . Think they only made about 1500 of them?

    I think a big issue is emmisons, to get any power out of light 4s single they pretty much won't get past emmmsiosn, or not without a huge cat. And abs, think everything road going has to have it, both add around 10kg each

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