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dancing james
Well to each his own I guess. My interest was being able to choose everysingle tube of the frame, design something unique.
I own 6 track bikes/fixies, carbon, aluminium and steel. Each has a different geometry and size. I don't give a damn, i adapt to the bikes, enjoy the hell out of every one of them.
Danyutz a -17' stem will result in a quasi horizontal stem, kinda parallel to the road if you will.