EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Did not realise that you could already use it.

Will check my Fenix 5

what are the actual chances of another referendum?

Of course, my watch (and all Sat Navs) will still work if access was removed as they can still use the US GPS system and/or the Russian GLONASS system (assuming they were designed to talk to them already).

And there's no way they can remove access to the signals which the Sat Navs rely upon without shutting down the entire system. Leaving the EU means we lose access to the Galileo programme. Short of putting a huge tinfoil hat all the way over the UK, the EU can't stop Sat Navs in the UK, whether UK-resident Sat Navs or foreign Sat Navs being used in the UK, from using the Galileo signals for determining their location.

Short of putting a huge tinfoil hat all the way over the UK...

It strikes me the UK already has a massive tinfoil hat complex when it comes to the EU.

Maybe after 10 years of negotiations the English will have the same 3-month visa-free holiday visits allowed with Aussie passports?

https://www.tourofbritain.co.uk/ see also http://www.aukweb.net/events/

I really didn't know they were involved. I should pay more attention to the news.

What are they going to do? Build a shield over the UK that filters out Galileo signals?

Unadulterated bullshit is under selling it.

Edit: Whoops, missed your subsequent post making the exact same ridiculous hypothesis.

It’s the encrypted military part (and involvement in operational management of the system) that we are being booted out of.

I.e. the signal that won’t get turned off if the balloon goes up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_System#Selective_availability

It strikes me the UK already has a massive tinfoil hat complex when it comes to the EU.

More like.. .

A feature Galileo doesn't have. The standard unencrypted Galileo signal allows location to be determined to +/- 1 metre, easily enough for Sat Navs. The only option to prevent people using that service in the UK is to turn off the whole system. Or deploy the tinfoil hat. Actual, not metaphorical.

unless the chips for receiving galileo signals have a country of sale code.

A feature Galileo doesn't have

'according to publicly released documents'

DVD region coding again? NOOOOOOOOO :)

The "chips" are passive.

They are purely receivers, and the satellites are purely transmitters.

Unless there's a backdoor via a tethered internet connection, there's no way of retroactively bricking a receiver.

Tinfoil hat time.

I disagree. GPS receivers can be handicapped by a change in signal, so it possible that GNSS and GLONASS are the same.

Its the same way that the US can disable/disrupt civillian GPS and not their own receivers.

If a receiver chip is hardcoded to only operate if a certain code is in the timing signal, it will be disabled.

Literally every GPS device has this function built in. It is possible (but a total guess), that Galilleo foresaw a scenario where receiver chips might be disabled by region.

EDIT: The GPS schema calls it Selective Availability. GLONASS is rumoured to have the same functionality. It would be weird if GNSS would not be able to do something similar. One huge caveat in what I am saying is that neither GPS nor GLONASS can disable by country, only by military and non military receiver chips.

So how are they going to distinguish which receivers to be handicapped?

As of 2007, SA has been disabled in GPS when they updated their transmitters

Bare in mind that I am just talking about the theoretical possibility.

On GPS, there are different categories of receiver. MIlitary and non military. Each receiver chip has a code that identifies whether it is military or non military. The USG has the ability to change the constellation signal to confuse or halt non military chips. Its called selective availability.

The only reason that Galileo and Glonass exists is basically down to this theoretical threat.

I know. I'm just stating that it is theoretically possible that SA of some sort is included in Galilleo. The USG can turn SA back on whenever they like.

"A navigation and timing signal restricted to use by authorized government agencies, armed forces, police, emergency and other security services, the PRS is designed to be robust to jamming and spoofing and available even in times of crisis."

"Under EU rules, only EU member states can access or work on the PRS"

So, disable/block/alter the public GNSS service and the military one still operates.

I find it very unlikely that a navigation system designed to counter the risk of selective availability of GPS and GLONASS won't have some form of selective availability of its own built in. Whether it can operate at a country level is unknown and does seem unlikely. I'm just being a pedant to say that it is theoretically possible.

I don't even know the issue, I just jumped in here coz I was bored, but if peeps seriously think military/governments don't have a few backdoors or some kind of pleb switch / regional limiter built into stuff like GPS then u mad bro.