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• #6727
On lying--be careful with accusing someone of lying. The problem with it is that it's notoriously difficult to show (and extremely hard to pin down or define). People try it out time and time again because they can often fall back on claiming naivety or ignorance. Quite often it's more effective to level lesser charges of falsehood-telling (into which family lying obviously belongs) at them--e.g. Kavanaugh misrepresenting witness testimony in his evidence to the Senate may not be lying (or not easy to show to be lying) but sheer incompetence--as many have noted, a judge should instinctively get those subtle distinctions right (couldn't remember/qualified statement with XYZ etc.).
If he doesn't (which Kavanaugh demonstrably didn't), then he's evidently not fit to be a Supreme Court judge. Sure, it doesn't carry quite the same kind of opprobrium that successfully showing that someone is lying does, but it is amply sufficient to show here that Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed.
If the FBI 'investigation' doesn't itemise these instances of falsehood-telling clearly, it will be an obvious sham.
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• #6728
Agree that he is quite divorced from reality, but he is also a massive liar. He lies often and wilfully, about all kinds of things big and small and gets others to join in his lies.
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• #6729
Agreed. For me it's the most worrying aspect: that Trump supporters will still support him despite his demonstrable tendency to say (and apparently believe) things that are demonstrably false. If you are flatly in error about things that happen in the world and the views and statements of others, sooner or later it will come and bite you (and in this case, the population) in the arse.
As explained in this work of genuine genius "A stupid person is more dangerous than a bandit."
Also
"It would be a profound mistake to believe the number of stupid people in a declining society is greater than in a developing society. Both such societies are plagued by the same percentage of stupid people. The difference between the two societies is that in the society which performs poorly:
a) the stupid members of the society are allowed by the other members to become more active and take more actions"
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• #6730
How much Trump's mental processes happen on a conscious level or subliminally will be the subject of thousands of research papers over the next centuries. For the moment it is absolutely clear that he is not telling the truth.
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• #6731
I don't think anyone is stupid. Ideas can be extremely stupid, or statements, but I think people themselves are neglected (emotionally, educationally, etc.), abused, and/or ignorant rather than stupid. When someone appears stupid, that is usually because they are having to deal with a lot of issues that command much of their attention, leaving little energy to put a lot of work into understanding more complex ideas or subtleties and placing hope in undeserving people like Trump, who are able to fool them to a large extent by exploiting their despair.
That is obviously not to excuse people doing evil things, e.g. racist murderers, but to explain.
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• #6732
Yes, absolutely. That is undeniable. Well, some people are still going to deny it. 'But the others are lying ...', etc.
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• #6733
When someone appears stupid, that is usually because they are having to deal with a lot of issues that command much of their attention, leaving little energy to put a lot of work into understanding more complex ideas or subtleties
What you're describing is called "Decision Fatigue"
My assertion is that Trump is stupid (with definite overtones of banditry), not necessarily his supporters.
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• #6734
Thats true...He wouldnt be liable but if they are building a RICO case that pulls evidence to say the Trump organisation has been corrupt at all levels for years across generations....bye bye trump organisation as you say...
It wouldnt necessarily be just civil fines either. Banning of the use of the name for business by anyone connected with it would essentially provide trumps ego with the biggest hit.What would the self declared bestest business man ever in the world ever do if he couldnt trade under the name that made him famous?
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• #6735
Decision fatigue can ultimately be part of it, but I'm describing a much wider phenomenon. It's not only about decisions, but also about how much mental energy is available in the first place, e.g. because of the need to suppress traumatic experiences that haven't been (able to be) dealt with. That's not only a problem of decision-making.
Trump isn't stupid, he's just very, very damaged, quite possibly in part because of an undiagnosed (or hidden out of shame) specific learning difference and the resultant feeling of inadequacy and helplessness, for which he tries to compensate, perhaps overcompensate judging by the extreme nature of a lot of what he has done and keeps doing.
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• #6736
HA! there already is a RICO case. the Art Cohen vs Trump university was a civil RICO class action suit.
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• #6737
Don’t be stupid
Sorry, not sorry
Back to high brow now
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• #6738
Decision fatigue can ultimately be part of it, but I'm describing a much wider phenomenon. It's not only about decisions, but also about how much mental energy is available in the first place, e.g. because of the need to suppress traumatic experiences that haven't been (able to be) dealt with. That's not only a problem of decision-making.
Are we talking about Trump or his supporters here?
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• #6739
Both, without a doubt (not all supporters, of course).
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• #6740
But then I think we're describing very different phenomena. If a large portion of Trump's base have been hit hard economically then decision fatigue is the relevant problem: if they're having to decide whether to spend their last dollars heating the house or feeding their children, then they have little decision competence left for choosing who has the best economic policy (especially if one candidate just promises to make it all better).
If we're talking about Trump himself, then there are all manner of possibilities, but I'm not going to speculate because I'm not a fan of psychoanalysis, especially done remotely.
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• #6742
I am still cringing from the last one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjJ_8G6bSi0
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• #6745
The President has toilet paper stuck to his shoe and no-one who will tell him about it
https://twitter.com/MaltLiquorLogic/status/1048011113751703552 -
• #6746
An accurate description of the recent USMCA (formerly NAFTA) trade negotiations.
https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/editorial-cartoons/editorial-cartoon-wednesday-oct-3-246742/ -
• #6747
Trump going full on Alex Jones -
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love! #Troublemakers
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• #6748
This is the man that sells MAGA hats, but thinks that protest placards should all be hand scribbled.
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• #6749
Can't help but have a little chortle at the fact that Trump has an issue with paid protesters but seemingly has had to pay for sex for decades.
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• #6750
The John Oliver show on paid protesters (Astroturfing) was pretty interesting a few weeks ago.
On Youtube with a US VPN and probably around on other places.
It's just the same tactics Trump uses all of the time--remember when he mainly played the victim? When he accuses others of the same accusations he anticipates will be levelled at him? When he attacks the person but not the issue? Etc. It's all very simple stuff that exploits trusting people's openness.