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The political connotations are abhorrent, yes, but even before we get to that deeper symbolism it just sounds fucking shit.
Straight lifting content from other cycling clubs is also totally weak and reflective of a brand that has no imagination or panache of its own, thus hiding behind capitalised acronyms that might as well be on a fucking Top Man tee shirt.
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Mamnickistan = Kekistan
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Is it certain that this is the chap behind Mamnick?
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Okay, at risk of walking into the firing line, I'll try to be objective about Thom. I think I've known of him for about six years, probably through working at Tokyo Fixed and Kinoko. Same as my partner who founded Kibosh. All I knew is that he was pretty nutty about steel bikes, old school cycling and making nice things. He's had some form of blog or website about cycling for the best part of a decade IIRC. I highly doubt Thom is making much money from Mamnick - it has always come across as a passion project to me and he's always been 100% genuine. Regardless, I don't think we can knock anyone in this day and age for 'paying homage' or copying old-school influences when it's all been done before by much bigger people making a lot of money and you're obviously overestimating Mamnick if you think they have an in-house designer who drew up that RSF badge thing. I've been around Thom in social situations and I've never heard him say anything racist. Trust me, I'd be the first person to call him out. But if I stopped talking to everyone who supports Brexit, I'd have no family left for starters. He does like to push people's buttons. That much is obvious. The holier than thou crap that some people are spewing about him whilst also sending hate mail to his friends and customers makes them no better though. So if it's anyone in this thread, get a grip and stop, please.
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Here is a link to the tweet if you want to call him out as you said: https://twitter.com/aesthete_thom/status/944289561827475456
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Fucking hell. WAC etc etc
Utterly indefensible
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Yomp!
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I don't think we can knock anyone in this day and age for 'paying homage' or copying old-school influences when it's all been done before by much bigger people making a lot of money and you're obviously overestimating Mamnick if you think they have an in-house designer who drew up that RSF badge thing
Eh. I've worked in the creative industries all my days. Directly lifting other people's work and putting your logo on it is not 'paying homage' it's plagiarism. Calling it so or pointing at others doing it for larger profit is mealy mouthed apologism.
I've been around Thom in social situations and I've never heard him say anything racist. Trust me, I'd be the first person to call him out. But if I stopped talking to everyone who supports Brexit, I'd have no family left for starters. He does like to push people's buttons. That much is obvious. The holier than thou crap that some people are spewing about him whilst also sending hate mail to his friends and customers makes them no better though.
The old right wing false flag eh? He's literally publishing it online under his own name but you never saw him actually spit on a refugee so what do you know, right? As for his customers getting hate mail, I'll believe it when I see it. Smacks of another attempt to garner sympathy by pointing to others shitty attitudes as a panacea for his own.
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I was talking in a very specific cycling history context here. I'm not saying it's okay but my (ill made) point was why have a pop at the little guy while fawning over what brand XYZ are doing? It makes no sense to me.
I'm not asking for sympathy and I am not apologising for his behaviour. I thought it was fair to give more background info on someone people are rushing to burn over the internet. I have just spent the last ten mins looking at that Twitter account above. I have never seen it before. I was one of those people btw. I blocked the account in question.
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If Rapha literally copied a club's badge without their permission they could and probably would get sued. Some things can't be copyrighted, certainly, but we're not talking about something vague, we're talking about something very specific and if someone did it to my work and passed it off as theirs, I'd be raging. Again, pointing to the faults of others doesn't diminish our own.
Okay, at risk of walking into the firing line, I'll try to be objective about Thom.
I'd say in this you have put yourself in the firing line, and for whatever reason, you're unable to be objective. I very much doubt anyone on here is sending hate mail, but we do have a right to discuss what Mamick/Thom has himself put out into the world and comment upon it without being told we're "spewing holier than thou crap" by someone who themselves is biased/blinkered. That twitter account is fucking awful, and contrary to Thom's beliefs you don't have to be a card carrying communist to think or say it.
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Is that Eliot Eastwick from Paper records?
And why was he banned from Twitter?
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Right, I still don't know anything much about 'Mamnick' and I have no great interest in it, especially after that summit-of-arseholery Tweet up there, but the claim that the Nazis were a socialist party often comes up.
It's really quite simple. Hitler effectively took over a small party active in Munich at the time, the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP) (German Workers(') Party). This was both nationalist/racist/anti-semitic as well as 'socialist'. (I would argue that nationalism/racism/anti-semitism are incompatible with socialism, but we've obviously just had a bit of a thing about that--part of what was behind the issue was just this toxic historical association.) Apparently, Hitler was the 55th member to join, so it wasn't exactly a large party at the time.
The party was soon renamed NSDAP, with the word 'socialist' added in a prominent position, but it's safe to say that Hitler never cared about this, using it for tactical reasons. He abandoned any pretence to it pretty much as soon as he got a sniff at power, when he began to make arrangements with powerful industrialists and other powerbrokers (and indeed that well-known socialist Paul von Hindenburg, the President of the Realm), whose political convictions were mostly German Nationalist, and whose support led fairly directly to his elevation to Chancellor of the Realm when German Nationalists entered a coalition with the NSDAP.
The most prominent 'socialists' in the NSDAP were the Strasser brothers, but Otto Strasser (a newspaper owner) left the party in 1930 and Gregor Strasser was assassinated during the "Night of Long Knives" (the murders of Ernst Röhm's faction of the party) in 1934. Joachim Fest on this:
Am 4. Juli [1930/JL] verkündeten daraufhin Otto Strassers Zeitungen: "Die Sozialisten verlassen die NSDAP!" Aber kaum jemand folgte ihm, die Partei besaß, so stellte sich heraus, fast keine Sozialisten und überhaupt kaum Menschen, die ihr politisches Verhalten theoretisch gedeutet wissen wollten.
('On the 4th of July [1930], Otto Strasser's newspapers announced: "The socialists are leaving the NSDAP!" However, hardly anyone followed him, as it turned out that the party had virtually no socialists, and also hardly any members who wanted their political behaviour to be interpreted by reference to a theory.')
(Joachim Fest, Hitler, S. 394f)
Source: https://www.h-ref.de/organisationen/nsdap/nazis-sozialisten.php
(This relies largely on Fest.)
So, the claim that Hitler was a socialist is baseless.
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What about Mamnickistan? Hmm...
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