• lots of metal bikes are generally less aggressively fit/designed. really i want an open upper

    Whut? Metal bikes come in all shapes and sizes. The OPEN U.P.(P.E.R.) itself is pretty slack with it's 72,5º seat tube.

  • yea-ish. i think in general they have longer wheelbases and higher stack/reach ratios. if you know of a counterexample i'd like to look at it.

    the intent with the seat tube angle is the use of a zero setback post no? so you are pretty much in a road race position if you slam it. it is only about 1cm higher and shorter than my tcr if i recall the geo correctly.

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