Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

Dirt between the faceplate and gearstick trim?!

You're all fired.

Leather shroud looks like a saggy ball bag?

Although that is still true in the after picture.

Your a saggy ball bag, etc

Much better

6.0L V8 with 350hp?

Watching MCM / skidfactory tells me to suggest a Ford Falcon XR6, i think they're like 400bhp with a turbo barra up front

amazingly am thinking exactly the same as you.............

That sounds suitably Australian. I think it’s more likely to be the 3.6L 255hp version as a hire car though

I have absolutely no idea. Especially as half the motherfuckers around us have proper massive cars.

I think the fact that the new civic she saw in the dealer is quite big and she was driving her mums yaris may have exacerbated things. She may also have seen the estate version Idk.

@Nahguavkire - we're in the 'burbs so the car will be driven a lot. But most of that will be short trips.

I'm just really aware that most small hatches are pretty tinny (as well as having small boots). One of the many great things about the mini is that it's solid. Sitting at >80mph is fine, no rattles etc. Whereas most cars that side need the stereo cranked to 11.

AIBU?

But most of that will be short trips.

https://www.whatcar.com/car-leasing/deals/business/bmw/i3/

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What was it for? the little plastic/rubber cover that your new faceplate don't have.

I think it was for a Road Angel, based on the receipts that I got with the car - a speed camera detector/alerting thing.

Quick maths says that's about £12,147.27.

Possibly a bit much. Although with both of us shocked by the cost of fuel when we got back maybe it could part pay for itself.

Fuel is denominated in dollars, therefore I suspect it's only going to get more expensive.

£1.45/litre at the petrol station I used on Monday.

Yeah, I note with some gloom, that the Camaro SS seems to have disappeared from Enterprise lots. Last two trips up to SF, they've given me a shitty Mustang and Challenger when selecting the 'sporty' option. Guess they figured out that a 460hp, 460lb/ft bog-stocker rental car is not going to do wonders for their maintenance bill.

Damn shame, that car was a hoot.

spotted Sunday evening in Marlow. Sympathetic restoration / customisation imho

Bleurgh - do not like at all.....Grimsville.

Both my wife's and my car are leased. How good 'value' they are depends a bit on what metric you use to measure 'value'. I was pretty flexible with the actual cars we got in exchange for getting good deals (general consensus being that total lease cost over a 2 yr lease being anything less than 23-25% of the RRP for the vehicle is a good deal).

For both cars I am paying less than the depreciation over the 2 year period which feels like good value to me but that is of course using the cost of a brand new car as the bench mark.

An interesting point of reference given your budget - total lease cost (6+23 months) of my wife's Volvo V90 is £7,830 on a car with a sticker price of just under £38k. I had to settle for not picking my own spec as a Volvo dealer up north had the vehicle on site and was offering it at this price as I suspect he was under pressure to move it.

Having said all that, the lease market is pretty crap for buyers (leasers) right now though, very few deals about.

Bring back the £199/month Golf R Estate lease deal I say. Perfect car

I think that's where it falls down for us.

The guy I was chatting to son just got a alfa giulia for ~£360pm. Obviously for that level of car it's great. And if I was looking for something smart I'd go that route. Not picking on Dammit here, but I think his Porsche has been a great eg of when to lease.

But we're looking at a different end of the scale for something likely to be destroyed by a baby / children.

I'm still going to crunch some numbers tho.

Yes please, I've just started looking for a replacement for my car and this is top of the list but cost p/m is way above that.

edit: talking shte

Not picking on Dammit here, but I think his Porsche has been a great eg of when to lease.

Yes and no I'd say - I bought the 996 in 2016, and it's cost me £1,842/month if I break that down.

But wait! I have an asset that has value as part of that, and it was recently valued at £20,000, so if we believe for one second that that is true the figure falls to £1,008/month.

If I were now to go to the fairly standard minor/major service pattern for the next few years that monthly cost would tail off significantly - it's perfectly possible that my total expenditure in the next twelve months (excluding fuel/VED/insurance) would be circa £300.

It won't be, because of the new engine, but lets leave that out of things for now.

Anyway - over the period that I've had the car I think it's basically equal between what I've spent and what it would have cost to lease a 991. But I don't (and did not) want a 991.

The C55 would be a better comparison, which I bought for ~£12,000 IIRC and have then spent ~£4,000 on. Right now it's very expensive on a £/month basis as it's fairly new, but I'd expect it to go onto routine maintenance for 2019 as I've fixed most things now.

All that to one side, there have been long periods when I've been without one of my cars, and that's what I suspect you can't afford, especially with small children - for you, a lease I think would likely make more sense. You want something that's 100% reliable and doesn't need to be thought about.

100% reliable and doesn't need to be thought about.

Buying 2nd hand is always unknown, but I can't think of that many people I know who've had serious problems with their modern cars. A friends 5-series had a total engine failure that BMW paid for and my mum's A3 (new) had never ending electrical problems. But other than that most seem to have been find.

My uncle ran a 200k Corolla without issue. So how bad is a 30-40k 2010 Honda going to be?

yeah 250K mitsi lancer estate (jap import when in NZ ) for years - added more oil than petrol, and never serviced it - zero problems