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• #27
Is it clearly a green light?
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• #28
The blurb states the lights were green. It's unclear which lights they are referring to.
Moments before and after the collision, a vehicle proceeding in the opposite direction passes over the crossing.
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• #29
The lights were likely green for either the pedestrian or the cyclist, for sure. It has been known for vehicles of all sizes to gamble on amber.
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• #30
If I was his lawyer I'd be saying the head injury the cyclist sustained meant he was left in shock or in some way resulted in him leaving the scene.
Or felt he was being attacked...
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• #31
Looking again, it appears lights are green for traffic. The picture posted on the Sun's page shows it better than the video.
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• #32
Can't actually see any green in those photos. In any case, it looks like plod take a similar view, and the Sun's readers have blamed the ped in the comments on the article, which says something. Awful for all involved, and I hope she recovers from her injuries.
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• #33
It's very clear in the video that the lights for the traffic are green, traffic is moving and the woman suddenly sprints into the road.
After the collision you can see them switching to red.
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• #34
Yes, look on the right oncoming, not the left of the road. I had to google maps to make sure there were lights on both sides of the carriageway as initially I was thinking why on earth would they be on both sides but of course they always are...you just forget.
Like you, I hope everyone recovers from their injuries. I'm not trying to apportion blame, just report what the video and screen shots seem to show.
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• #35
Looking again, you're right, you can see on the far side of the road that the bottom light is on during the collision. It doesn't help that the Sun darkens the rest of the frame.
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• #36
Light been green or red as a driver you should adjust yr Speed to the situation not travel at the max , with it been green the rider would have had this as an advantage and maybe a ticking off for speeding but not stopping will get rider little sympathy from police and those that matter, hope there's a happy ending all round and we all keep learning,
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• #37
ticking off for speeding
did you watch the video? He's not exactly breaking the sound barrier.
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• #38
Leaving the scene can and should be punished. Whatever the collision involves.
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• #39
Yes, it delays possible medical assistance.
There's still way more likelihood that someone in a bike crash has brained themselves and doesn't know what's what, whereas people in cars who hit cyclists can hardly claim any form of brain trauma.
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• #40
Given the context, leaving the scene struck me as an odd move.
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• #41
Possibly had something in his possession that wasn't legal?
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• #42
I've not seen the video. Shock would definitely be more of a factor in bike-ped collision than car-ped, car-cyclist. Maybe it WAS nicked? Maybe she was a lunatic and he was trying to clear off? Probably just knew he'd be shafted for it no matter what because he was cycling (sort of).
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• #43
...like his bike? Perhaps he feared a repeat of the alliston debacle. Or maybe he had a head injury. or maybe he's just a self-serving twat who didn't give a fuck. Who's to say.
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• #44
Perhaps he feared a repeat of the alliston debacle
and was therefore following this advice: https://road.cc/content/blog/228327-involved-crash-heres-modest-proposal
(I don't agree with the advice btw)
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• #45
Just heard about this, came on here to have a look, but that roadcc article was the first thing I thought of when I was told about this latest incident...
Saying that, this vehicle had "brakes" so I don't see what all the fuss is about. Even if the rider completely neglected to use them, he's still got brakes. He should have stayed on the scene and he would be treated like any other vehicle on the road that has brakes installed. He'll get a slap on the wrist and sent home.
Two weeks after the Alliston case a guy on a caad with disc's plowed into a woman in Mayfair few streets away from me and no one in the media batted an eyelid. If you got brakes, didn't bust a red, then stay at the scene.
Also wow I litteraly just watched the video of the crash on the s*n website, looks like she tried to off herself... But I suppose we'll find out later what happened.
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• #46
I'm sure this thread isn't the right place for the discussion but...
I have to say that after both being in the situation myself (did nothing wrong, ped walked out between buses whilst I was filtering with <1m to stop. Lost an evening, a helmet and a bike wheel all due to shit police who said I was "lucky" ped didn't want to charge... wtf?), and also hearing stories from customers of my shop... there's no fucking way I'd hang around these days. I'd also scarper: That road.cc article is sad, but spot on: Cyclists in this country are not represented well by the law, and culturally we're second class citizens on the road, so errr, yeah. Comes down to plod and the courts.... No thank you.
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• #47
No news yet about how the poor woman is getting on, I hope things are improving for her.
The section of Kingsland High Street where the crash happened is a place where pedestrians are the majority and the dominant traffic flow. Pedestrians, including me, cross at any time in any direction, dancing in the street is not uncommon.
Cyclists always have a duty of care not to run into pedestrians whatever the circumstances. In this crash the video shows the worst possible situation for a rider. On an open road with a green light the pedestrian jumps out, slows down then accelerates into his path. Few of us could have avoided this crash. I don't know what difference an electric bike would make, apart from being heavier and more damaging in a crash.
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• #48
Apparently the legal duty only falls on motor vehicles?
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• #49
This is correct. Legislation here:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/170
The duty to report only applies to drivers of 'mechanically propelled vehicles'.
An e-bike, providing it is has a power output of under 250W, and has the 15mph legal cut-out, is classed as a normal bicycle, and not a mechanically propelled vehicle. If the cut-out has been removed, or if it has an output greater than 250W, then it becomes a mechanically propelled vehicle (in which case you are in a whole world of trouble regarding riding an unlicenced, unregistered, uninsured vehicle on the road if you get caught, or involved in an RTA like this)
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• #50
The duty to report only applies to drivers of 'mechanically propelled vehicles'.
I didn’t know this, it’ll give the baying mob something to get excited about at some point, I’m sure, sounds like a job for Briggs.
Looking at the video its clearly a green light.
I wonder how this would have played out if he'd have stopped. It seems in the media he'd already been blamed.