US Politics

Trump's bankruptcies were indeed private. His personal finances are as opaque as a mafia don.

The Clintons won't sue him for anything. In order to prove defamation/libel/slander, the plaintiff has to assert and prove the truth. They'd like to avoid that scrutiny.

The truth about such things as U1 and colluding with the Russians should be fairly easy to prove as false for the Clintons...

How would you calculate damages for the Clintons?

I wouldn’t. Their lawyers would probably have a stab at it, if there was available evidence.

Snarky remarks aside, the Standard of proof required to demonstrate a loss in the USA is different to that used in England from what I have read.

Yup, just reminded myself. In the USA you can claim for special economic losses which can be future theoretical lost business deals. You can also claim for non economic losses > financial compensation for reputation damage etc.

There's a different (heightened) standard of proof for claiming defamation in the US too. Trump has good, dirty lawyers and investigators, and a defamation case brought by the Clintons would harm their reputation more than help it (or their bank account). It'll never happen.

How would you calculate damages for the Clintons?

In an American jury trial? Think of a very large number, double it, and add a bit more on for good measure.

Exactly. The USA is the land of batshit mental unprovable damages claims.

The fetid state of the Republican party is all that makes McCain look good.

I think that the significant factor here is that if McCain saw you drop your wallet he'd give it back, Trump would take it without thinking and deny that you ever dropped it, or indeed that you had ever had a wallet, or that wallets as a class of object even existed.

You're right that McCain's actions are in sharp relief to many prominent Republicans.

For me, his choosing of several years of torture instead of being released from captivity in order to honor the military code of conduct is a sign that he was overall a good person.

In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[44] McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. Such early release was prohibited by the POWs' interpretation of the military Code of Conduct which states in Article III: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy".[46] To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[35]

Beginning in August 1968, McCain was subjected to a program of severe torture.[47] He was bound and beaten every two hours; this punishment occurred at the same time that he was suffering from dysentery.[35][47] Further injuries brought McCain to "the point of suicide," but his preparations were interrupted by guards.

He was not a good person. He stands responsible for the deaths of many and the misery of millions more.

McCain's actions are in sharp relief to many prominent Republicans.

How, exactly? Racist warhawk with regressive social values leaves proud legacy of service to capital. Sounds much like the rest of them to me.

You can't deny that he was made of something different.

He was not a good person. He stands responsible for the deaths of many and the misery of millions more.

Responsible or part responsible? Is there a particular conflict that he was particularly responsible for? Just trying to understand where you are coming from.

Sorry, just saw the racist bit. I didnt know he was racist. What did he do?

That’d be adopting the Bangladeshi kid obvs.

Please cite the long list of massive damage awards for defamation cases. (Gawker isn't relevant here).

McCain voted against every civil rights measure put in front of him and claimed that he'd hate Vietnamese people (whom he referred to as 'gooks') until the day he died.

That’s not entirely true, particularly as he softened a bit with age. He also sponsored a bill to intended to reduce carbon emissions, which you might think is a good thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_McCain

Re the ‘gooks’ thing -yeah, it’s ugly, although he insisted he only used it to refer to his guards, not all Vietnamese.

although he insisted he only used it to refer to his guards, not all Vietnamese.

that's all right then

I guess if they pulled your fingernails out it might be.

I'm not sure that I'm comfortable with a person in elected office openly using and defending his use of racial slurs, regardless. But each to their own.

'Softening with age' is a phrase reserved almost exclusively for racist assholes.

But they did torture him. After they caught him red-handed bombing their children. Faceless gook cunts.

What's the racist term for white people invading your country and interfering with your sovereignty?