That Corbyn fella...

Margaret Hodge is a pretty amazing person and a hell of a credit to her constituents and her party, whats your beef with her?

You can start here.

https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/margaret-hodge-attempts-to-talk-her-way-out-of-islington-paedophile-scandal/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/with-a-past-like-hers-margaret-hodge-might-show-a-bit-more-humility-10098871.html%3famp

At a guess; pro-military, iffy on asylum, and questionable on some civil liberties.

On balance I always thought she seemed quite decent. But equally I can't recall what her record in charge of her various ministries was.

Oh and protecting nonces.

Edit: beat me too it!

Well she's only gone and compared her traumatising experience at the hands of the Labour party with her father's escape from the Nazis in the 1930s. Where does that fall within the accepted definitions of antisemitism?

She also can't keep herself from voting to drop bombs on people but as long as she's nice to her constituents that's OK.

What's more concerning is her assertion that there's 'a fine line between being pro-palestinian and being anti-Semitic'.

All unchallenged by the interviewer of course.

She's right

depends on who you ask.

so... people that were involved in the anti-apartheid movement did so because they didn't like white folks?

whatever man.

the fact that folks like Hodge are prepared to sacrifice their own integrity to score a point against corbyn is as baffling as it is damaging to the party they belong to.

Oh dear. That's a pretty appalling thing to say. As I've said before, if you seriously believe that this is point scoring against Corbyn, you are part of the problem. Why would the Jews sacrifice hundreds of years of history to make a political point?

And yes there is a fine line between the pro Palestinian /anti Israel squad and anti semitism, especially on the left

^ etc. etc.

see you keep saying these things but provide no evidence. you just use words like 'the left' in the pejorative sense as if it has some resonance beyond your own opinion whilst gaslighting for people that have said some pretty shitty, unfair things.

anyway. rant on brother. despite all this, i still like to think we're all on the same side.

you just use words like 'the left' in the pejorative sense

and using 'the Jews' as if they are all of one mind, which happens to be his. That's this 'identity politics' thing we keep hearing about, right?

I have given you evidence. This dishonest 'appeal' for evidence is pathetic from people like you. Look a few pages back, or in the news. Margaret Hodge speaks for me and many other Jews that I know.and thank God someone has had the balls to step out and do so while everyone stays silent or snipes from the sidelines

There is a clear and acknowledged problem on the left with their fixation on Israel Palestine. The only anti semitism I have experienceded has been directly related to that. I is also all over public discourse.

I'm not on your side if you say things like that

there is a fine line between the pro Palestinian /anti Israel squad and anti semitism.... The only anti semitism I have experienceded has been directly related to that.

...and we're conflating Palestinian right to self-determination/not being murdered with anti-Semitism - again.

No 'we' aren't. As someone who has both spent a substantial amount of time in the west bank, has many friends there and has strong sympathies and support for the Palestinian cause, it is a clear fact that the pro Palestinian cause is often a cover for anti semitism.

pro Palestinian cause is often a cover for anti semitism.

Really !, or is that a such a broadly self servingly definition of anti semitism has been created that anybody who question Israels right to drop white phosphorus on the civil population is therefore an anti semitism ?

Are you trying to misconstrue what I and others have said or do you genuinely not understand? If the latter, then try and understand how someone who is a supporter of Palestinian liberation and has good mates in that civil population that you blithely speak of can also see and experience Anti Semitism in the solidarity movement behind the Palestinian cause

Well, either that or you've been massively inconsistent and mealy-mouthed in what you've been saying, swinging between 'anyone who criticises Israel ever is literally Hitler' and 'some of my best friends are Palestinian'. One of those.

Punkture never said the former, at all. I don't see how you can have construed what he said as that either.

As an aside, this thread is a perfect microcosm demonstrating why this problem isn't going away...

Never said that people shouldn't criticise Israel... Show me where I said that

I object to the suggestion that being pro Palestinain is often a cover for anti semitism.

That just plays into the narrative that anti semitism gets used to shut down any debate on the well fair of the Palestinians.

I've really tried to stay out of this, must try harder.

Very much agree with this

As an aside, this thread is a perfect microcosm demonstrating why this problem isn't going away...

Do you just dislike the concept that it might be the case or just categorically deny that it can be the case?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/18/labour-antisemitism-jews-jeremy-corbyn

"Which brings us to Jeremy Corbyn. No one accuses him of being an antisemite"