That Corbyn fella...

^^ good grief.

Yes it is what you have said.

You have already said that you can't take Jewish complaints seriously because they are anti Labour and if you don't support Labour then the Tories will wreck the NHS. You seem so blinded by this bizarre assertion that Labour =non racist and inherently good and Tory =racist and inherently evil. Your posts are so uncompromising and lacking in any kind of nuance that you are basically outlining exactly the issue which we are worried about.

Anti-Semitism is acceptable folks, as long as you save the NHS in the process. I feel a bit sick.

Of course, there are good anti-semites, and bad anti-semites...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/07/13/anti-semitism-doesnt-bother-benjamin-netanyahu-if-it-comes-from-his-political-allies/?utm_term=.7614cff3b10d

Same as we learned a few months back that there are good Jews and bad Jews, Corbyn, unfortunately, was hanging out with the wrong sort of Jews.

the Tories windrush and anti-islamophobia are much bigger issues

Not if you're Jewish. Why do we have to rank racism? I don't get it.

A small amount of anti-semitism in the labour party must be dealt with

Unless it impedes Labour getting into power you seem to suggest. If you think it isn't a big issue already then I genuinely don't know what else to say to you...

Well said

you are basically outlining exactly the issue which we are worried about.

Precisely. Sorry to wade in with something that adds pretty much nothing to this conversation but @ToucanVanMoon you (presuming you're a Labour member) are part of the problem. Labour does have a problem with anti-semitism, and, as others have said, how 'significant' or 'important' it is compared to other forms of racism within the Labour party, the Conservative party, or society in general is a non-question. Let's not play lowest common denominator politics.

As a Labour member I agree completely with those who have commented on the sheer arrogance of those on the left who think that they automatically have the moral high ground on issues such as racism. Your complete unwillingness to listen to contributions from people who've experienced anti-semitism is evidence of this.

At the same time, since being elected leader, Corbyn has received a disproportionate amount of criticism from the press, much of which has been unfounded. Ironically, rather than advance what I perceive to be the press's vested aim of quashing a leader who is a very moderate social democrat (or far-left autocrat depending on who you ask), the constant mud-slinging has just rendered many Corbyn supporters completely sceptical as to the truth value of anything that comes through mainstream news outlets. So, at this point, Corbyn could realistically do anything and would still have rabid Twitterati defend him.

Before anyone screams 'Blairite', I voted for Corbyn in both leadership elections, and, despite his many many flaws, would probably vote for him again (if anything, I'm to the left of him on many issues). He has been ineffectual at best throughout this crisis, which is clearly a very real one, albeit one that has been weaponised. Yet, from what I've seen I wouldn't describe him as anti-semitic, or racist. I'm willing to hear people's opinions on this lattermost point (and all these points, obviously!)

I'm not ranking racism, I'm ranking the tories as much worse racists

ffs

Don't really think it's appropriate to bring gold stars into this discussion.

Ah, I scanned an somehow missed that. Apols.

I’m lost then as to why this re-write is controversial. All substance remains.

I’m a little disappointed Labour have effectively closed down the difficult debates around Israel with this document. I’m not certain you can have a state explicitly for religion x without that being inherently prejudiced.

"Jewish MPs and members of the Conservative Party are not coming out and referencing antisemitism in the Conservative Party." Had it crossed your mind that this might be because if you don't believe in society, and are doing well out of the current system, you might priritise keeping power over doing the right thing?

I suspect partly true. But also they’re less squeamish about political correctness, less likely to identify and organise as a group and more concerned with the individual - all conservative traits correct?

That Washington Post article is full of half-truths and seems written to provoke. What are they playing at? I now have to defend the idiot Trump?

last summer after President Trump said that “some very fine people” were among the neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville, chanting, among other racist slogans, “Jews will not replace us.”

No he didn’t. Trump was asked about those marching to keep a statue - not about neo-nazis.

These distortions are so damaging to honest debate.

/ derail

...many of whom were neo-nazis?

Exactly.

‘There are good people in a group that include many utter maniacs.’

Very different from:

‘There are good people in a group of utter maniacs.’

I don’t dispute for a second that there were full blown neo Nazis present.

Sorry for the derail.

the 'good people' cease to be good people when they place their need to get salty over some racist statue over the fact that they're sharing a platform with swastika sporting, sieg heil throwing fucking nazis. them's the rules.

A bit like Corbyn sharing a platform with the rabbi-murdering, EU-designated-terrorist-organisation PFLP leader then, eh?

yes just like that.

i'm out.

You hold a simplistic view of people.

Maybe the journo for the post does too, which is why they’re willing to misreport.

Is this resolved yet?

spent my fair share of time around fash. they don't change.

Some kind of final solution?

You massive racist.

to absolutely no one's surprise, that fatuous, overprivileged pissant and top chum of johnson, zac goldsmith is clamouring to throw one of their own under a bus for a cheap shot against corbyn. of course the fact that Lord Sheikh is calling for an investigation in islamophobia in the tory party is purely coincidental.

Yup, its almost reassuring to see Zac Goldsmith's still a massive fucking racist.

Yeah I'm sorry, I'm sure normal service will be resumed shortly.

It's was vaguely related, apparently Lord Sheikh was at the same terrorist training camp .....sorry, sorry, my mistake, Palestinian rights conference as JC which clearly makes them both dangerously antisemitic.

I hope we can all agree, though, that Margaret Hodge is a fucking dunce.

And has also advocated fairly racist things in the past...