EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Technocrat chat about a second referendum

https://constitution-unit.com/2018/08/09/is-a-second-referendum-on-brexit-possible-seven-questions-that-need-to-be-answered/

Wouldn't we need to fix social media/traditional media and have a clear idea of what the non remain option(s) would actually mean?

Maybe, although I'm not sure there is the luxury of time to allow for that to be done. From his recent posts, Jack (from Twitter) doesn't seem that interested in sorting it out, even if other networks have taken action against people like that Infowars nutter.

not sure there is the luxury of time to allow for that to be done.

was the impression I got from that link too.

HARDtalk: Dutch MEP - Sophie In't Veld http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download-low/proto/http/vpid/p06gt8g9.mp3

Dutch MEP sees through the dithering & bluster of the Tories.

I have a moderate Brexit voter on my Facebook. Typical of the non-racist and educated crowd, works for the NHS and married to a French woman.

Still buys the "things could be better and global" despite agreeing there is NO plan, lots of problems, the situation so far is a mess and does not want a second vote because "the decision has to be seen through".

Em w0t. Not sure what LFGSS box he goes in :p

Not sure what LFGSS box he goes in :p

Not letterbox

Racist Gammon C**t. obv

LOL at the "is the Dutch government bluffing" reply. Back in the box!

Yes, the normally sane/rational/balanced Stephen Sackur
did seem to be reading from a gammony brexit cribsheet.

Sophie in the Field seems to have a much better grasp of the situation
than many UK politicians,
(and English for that matter)!

Bloody furrins having a different perspective... ;)

He did ask an interesting question about EU populist parties, I don't think he knows that the Dutch PM (Rutte, I don't like him very much) has always voted with the UK against further integration. Big mate of Cameron.

So this tweet of Rutte that "integration should have a purpose" is no surprise. Nor does it MEAN anything bar a signal to others as Macron has a clear vision. But, Twitter is shite for debate anyway.

No great surprises in this Brexit attitudes survey data from the almighty John Curtice

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45098550

So turkeys still convinced Christmas is a good idea.

As long as there is gammon on the menu for Boxing day.

easy - you'll rattle the centrist dads again.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2018/02/14/britains-best-brexit-bet-is-the-jersey-option/

Rumours going around the UK is going to try this.

Still a hard border with Ireland as not all goods are covered, long lorry queues for things as not all goods are covered, the EU will taking banking off if they can (like when you quit your job, the vultures swoop in to take your screen/keyboard/tools/whatever goods there are...) but ok... we won't starve.

Amazing.

Dunno - if it isn't 'in' or 'out' it is probably a bit complicated for our negotiating team.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/08/10/news/concerns-raised-about-border-stop-and-search-zone-1404017/

"Members of the public could be stopped, searched and detained within a mile-wide strip of the border under new legislation planned by the British government.

The controversial powers are contained in the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill which is currently working its way through Westminster.

If the bill becomes law any member of the public could be stopped within a mile of the border to establish if they are entering or leaving the north.

The new proposals have already passed committee stage at Westminster and some observers believe could be law by Christmas - just months before Brexit is due to kick in."

A-Ma-Zing. Morons.

Haven't read this closely (yet) but it looks quite interesting

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/30/theresa-mays-impossible-choice

RE the whole housing discussion here: I used to live in an area in Belfast where housing was old, things looked run down and so a lot of it was knocked down as it was really not fit for purpose. I used to live in a house that got knocked down, it was tiny and damp.

It took 10 years of negotiation to get new housing built, but there are fewer houses as the old ones were simply too small. And people had to move out while new houses were being built. That area used to be very close-knit and still is, with people not moving far if they can. Some of them now want to come back. Not all can get a council house.

Along with that, the local housing executive sold some land to a private company. The local community group which does really good work was not given any assurances just "affordable". Not that they could do anything bar flag it up. So, these new houses are on the market for 130K. The other houses in that area around these are 70K-85K...

Everybody is pissed off to the hilt with the local politicians (the DUP which are fucking useless for housing and well pretty much anything, SF does a much better job). So people call that out and rightly so. They also call out that other areas (the falls, just around the corner) have done a much better job and landlords are snapping up houses in that area, with locals being unable to move back in. There are also problems with landlords cramming people in houses and the council of course doing f-all about it.

Unfortunately, the divide and conquer comments of "ethnic cleansing" and "more romanians" also show up. The mindset that foreigners cannot help an area but just parasite it does seem somewhat ingrained. The local community group is not playing that game at all BTW and does a lot of anti racism work.

But that sort of stuff is always ripe for "we are not the DUP and screw immigrants" politicans. And in poor areas with bad housing poor immigrants go. So a lot of it is an income issue, but instead of working together there is a split forming if people feel the area should be "locals only". And people resent the richer people that don't have to "put up with that".

And the immigrants coming in may have bigger issues. It is a bit sad, it does feel like nobody talks to each other.

It’s a good read.

Well, in the sense that is paints a picture

A depressing picture

FT interview with Rees-Moog, if you can take it:
https://www.acast.com/ft-politics/summerinterviewspecial-jacobrees-mogg

Just on simple logistics. Who do the government think will actually do the checking. Customs have been long split up and cut to the quick, I’m not aware of any frontier control staff or infrastructure in the north and any operational activity still, afaik, by Hmrc / ukba still requires a lot of armed back up. Can’t see PSNI keen to get involved in a politically shitty, operationally highly dangerous task which will probably be easily circumvented by those who used to do it back in the day.
After all that I wonder who would get stopped most, if have a fiver on those who identify as Irish / nationalist. Plus any smugglers will undoubtedly come from the ex paramilitary/ organised crime milieu which won’t be a good thing (as per the red diesel frauds) Another step closer to a nation once again.

G4S

How much did 100 Euro cost me on Wednesday at Thomas Cook in Angel.

Fucking shitehawks