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Apologies, I think I misinterpreted your post.
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You ask people to take charge of their own social mobility, but there isn't opportunity for everyone. The entire country can't move to London, Manchester, or Birmingham, and yes I completely accept that I am projecting my own view upon the country - that there are no opportunities outside of those 3 cities - but are there enough opportunities to provide the lifestyle dream that has been sold? No there aren't. That basically makes life unfair doesn't it? Which it is, and it's easy for us to say because we're either privileged enough to have been gifted access to opportunity, or lucky enough that our sacrifices have paid off and not ruined us.
Isn't that the crux of it? A lot of people have had their lives slowly turned upside down and they're unhappy and a bunch of people who haven't had to deal with that shit are telling them to deal with it.
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@freddo I feel like you're finally talking sense on here, earlier I must admit it felt a bit condescending and antagonistic, not to be rude to you, but I think my feelings are backed up by your post about your qualifications. I accept that your education provides you a potential greater insight, but honestly the way you came across was the same as the people you were/are arguing/discussing with. ie, you view some on here as very blinkered and unwilling to discuss the "real" motivation for voting brexit by leavers, but at the same time your view of those people is the same! However I will concede that now you're actually opening up, you are practicing what you preach.
That out of the way, I 100% agree with you about the lower class leavers voting that way as a result of the effects of un-checked globalisation. It is my opinion that the majority of leavers are not racist, but they do fear immigrants because that's what they've been told is the reason for their predicament! Since the shrinking and basic collapse of the working class industries, we have been fed the lies that the reason there are no jobs is because of the immigrants, however these are just lies. There are just layers upon layers upon layers of cause and effect, which have all just added together to create this environment. This has been rammed down the throats of the public, incessantly by right wing popular media and publications, until we are now in a situation where it is believed even in the face of evidence to the contrary.
In my personal opinion, one of the biggest factors, not just here, but worldwide, are the complete complicity by successive governments in prioritising private company revenue and profits over people. The whole concept of reducing costs, outsourcing, zero hour contracts, etc etc, at the same time as shoving consumerism down people's throats has forced the value to be put on getting everything done as cheaply as possible, and fuck the consequences. At the same time, the knock on effects on our workforce have not been considered, businesses work outside the confines of borders, but they effect populations. You should not be able to close a factory and open another somewhere elsewhere without acknowledging that your actions are causing an effect. Either elected officials of countries affected should be limiting the exposure through sanctions or restrictions in these practices, or they should be coming up with strategies to mitigate the effects. Decades of this have, in my opinion, left us in this state.
On top of that, in more recent years, PFI, the slow privatisation of our services, the incredible fees charged by the big 4 consultancies, have, in this country caused a complete degradation of our public services. There is a fuck tonne of cash being wasted, there's so much money being spent, but not reaching the right people.
Add to that things like:
So how does you change leavers' views on brexit? I think we're beyond that, but a good start would be firstly stopping austerity, and explaining why spending is not a bad thing, it's a good thing, resuming spending on needed services but at the same time starting the incredibly long process of un-doing privatisation. Next, open discussions on how you're going to provide jobs outside London that aren't zero hour contracts, and are suitable for the available workforce.
@|³|MA3K
You can't expect people to just re-train, you have to support them, brandishing people as lazy or un-willing just because you moved across the world for work, in the face of whatever, or how ever many challenges, doesn't mean "anyone can do it".
However, I believe we're in a situation that even if every single elected official and every single newspaper and news source told the exact situation, how the country has been fucked, and all the lies they've pushed and supported, some would still choose to not believe and look to the fringes for people who stick to the false narrative that's been built over the years. It'd be a good start though.