• when people call you out on statements (like that the WTO trading may not be so easy) there is no reply.

    To be fair, the greatest minds Brexit has to offer aren't able to come up with anything more coherent than brexit means brexit or will of the people when asked that question.

    I didn't expect any kind of reply. It's page 1 in the defending brexit play book, ignore the difficult questions, page 2 checkout all the sovereignty and blue passports.

  • I think there is a lot of dishonesty, say the UK really wants WTO terms. [even if they get it as it was already posted here New Zealand is objecting] and gets it.

    Maybe it can be made "good" by trading with Africa and buying agricultural produce as they can't compete with agricultural subsidies here, sort of a more lefty/socialist Brexit, but it will mostly wipe out farming and it will also cause losses in service jobs unless the UK can negotiate services access like it has with the EU.

    Don't see either how deals will be got w/o easier immigration, and since immigration and anti globalisation sentiments drove part of the vote, well that's gonna be a hard sell.

    The BRIC countries, again, lots to gain maybe for the UK but the distances are higher which does harm goods trade, and it will wipe out some jobs. Services? Maybe, but except easier immigration for their people as a tradeoff.

    Oh, and the slight problems with Gibraltar/Northern Ireland. And that negotiating these things take 10 years...at least.

    Even if something exciting can be done, it will come at great sacrifice. And all the free market economists will go "yeah you lost your job, too bad, market forces, winners and losers innit?". We can also still end up with a Brexit that harms the BRIC countries/Africa AND makes us losers too as we have no input/control at all over it.

    I think Patrick Minford tried to hammer some of this out but he's also a xenophobic asshole so I am not going to read his stuff, but maybe something in there. And he said his Brexit would harm UK farming, so at least there's some honesty.

  • New Zealand is objecting

    I have a feeling this could be just the tip of the iceberg, Spain have an axe to grid over Gibraltar, Argentina would have a chance to make life difficult over Falkand islands.

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