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  • I think a bleeding burger is a pretty good idea. Its obviously not for everyone, it sounds like you find it off putting if something is "too realistic". If it helps somebody transition to veganism by recreating their favourite food accurately enough for them not to miss it that can only be a good thing! It's good to see veganism becoming more accessible with places like Iceland doing decent vegan products.

  • If it helps somebody transition to veganism by recreating their favourite food accurately enough for them not to miss it that can only be a good thing!

    Not sure about this.

    I get the / your point, still I'm not convinced this will work / I'm not sure this is the "way to go" in the first place, to be honest.
    Why waste so much energy on realisticly recreating meat dishes.

    I think this seems to help a small percentage of people transition to a vegan diet.
    It's expensive most of the time though when you eat out, more expensive than real meat.
    It takes a lot of time to prepare usually if you do it yourself (make seitan "steaks" etc.)
    It tastes mediocre at best if you go for convenience vegan alternatives from the supermarket.

    I think it only seems to help people transition to a vegan diet because they won't last anyway (they will go back to eating meat sooner or later) if they don't develop compassion for the animals, to make it short.
    It's a good thing people "try veganism" - for whatever reason really, the animals won't care - and you could argue these products help more people try it, but I do also think a lot of them will quit - and in their head they'll remember the negative experience of: it being too expensive (vegan burger more expensive compared to McD, it being too much hassle (ain't nobody got time fo' that), or to mediocre-tasting (shit TSP / TVP products from the supermarket etc.) - so this can actually be counterproductive.

    Alternatively they could eat hundreds of asian / indian dishes that are vegan anyway, taste awesome, and are not expensive and easy to cook -
    and leave with the feeling of "this tasted awesome - I didn't even miss eating an animal at all, actually", rather than "this was somewhat ok, but it doesn't really compare to the real thing".

  • I see your point but investment in this will mean that it does taste as good / similar to real meat and it will also bring the price down.

    So people who want to be ethical but are lazy / can't imagine their diets without meat can become vegan

  • Meat substitutes helped my girlfriend and I to transition. We could still cook the dishes we used to cook, and especiallly for social events like a bbq at friends we still bring fake sausages.

    In regards to going back to eating meat.
    I think eating vegan creates a lock in effect. The few times (3) I had animal protein or dairy after I transitioned, my body reacted by giving me stomach aches, and vomiting. Good reminder not to do it again.

    Also, remember that the next generation doesn’t only come to veganism from a animal welfare point of view. Now environment end health are huge drivers, with no killing as an added bonus.

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