EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • I think most folks here accept that a catastrophic diamond-hard brexit is a likely, even the most likely, outcome right now. Can you explain why this would be in any way desirable, in terms of economics, social cohesion, national security, the environment, or any other important respect? Then explain exactly how this might represent the clear Will of the People, in late 2018/early 2019? You know, for the benefit of the whole picture.

  • seeing where it came it from won't hurt you (You used the word "educate", not me ;) )
    ... It's 3 minutes.. It likely took you longer than that to reply to my previous post.

    Bla bla bla.... just watch/read the whole thing before you dismiss it yeah?
    https://local.theonion.com/man-insists-facebook-friend-actually-reads-why-palesti-1826610409

  • 350million for the NHS, we'll be laughing.

  • If you don't understand you are not intelligent enough to comprehend the global synery and the blue sky thinking that opens the global sky thinking to everyone.

    Also 350 million. Think about that, how many busses a week will that buy?

  • Real answer is that I would like to know more about the advantages. Especially the ones for me, as I'm quite self centered.

  • I did watch, so you are wrong about that. I stand by my opinion that it was drivel.

  • I'm a old skool LFGSS'er

    So, banned then...

  • Remember what happened to New Zealand when the UK stopped buying lamb? 14% interest rates.

    If that is what we are going to get, except lots of broke home owners, leading to bankruptcy, loss of tax income and wiping out of assets. Thatcher years basically with even worse inequality and potential loss of banking industry tax revenues as a bonus for leaving the EU.

    Yes the house prices will reset to a "normal" value, but this has already -mostly- happened in the 2006 crash. Which has just about been paid off, ready for another one? 12 years of fun!
    Yes NZ got out of it in the end, but pretending it will be a "small short term problem" is I think being too optimistic.

    And Brexit is a fuckload more involved than losing your biggest customer for a concrete good, there is also services etc.
    Even with the massive problems in the past caused by lack of housing any solutions were just temporary, as now 20 years on it is back to housing shortage*

    *housing is actually a fuckload more complicated than "build more new stuff, fast" due to planning issues, who pays for it etc... just disagree that trashing the economy is the best way to get cheaper houses. And there is of course the problem that the financers often aren't interested in council housing as it is not THE way to make lots of cash, others don't want house prices to drop as it is not that your bank gets you a mortgage discount so there you go...

    [shortages are not unique to the UK BTW but the lack of affordable housing efforts seems worse to me compared to other countries, I can of course be wrong]

  • The housing problem is an entirely different thing - across all the first-world countries we’re seeing problems with a lack of available housing, even in places like Germany which has had a surplus since reintegration. England has it bad because a) neoliberal capitalist policies of the 80s & 90s b) our housing stock was mostly renewed in the 1900s and is now fucked and c) the Blair years had a policy of knocking down excess housing in the north.

    Tl:dr; no u can’t have a house

  • Normally means “banned for racism”, which is no huge surprise given the context.

  • As has been said, give one advantage.

  • Ah, this would be Diable then. I had a flatmate from Trinidad who was like him "I'm mixed race so I can say what I want about everyone" (he looked white) cue racist epithets that were as witless as they were frequent.

  • Their English is very poor but I don’t think it’s Diable- whilst he was also barely literate his turn of phrase was different. Mind you, the person would seem to only post when drunk, which might explain that.

    If they post a picture of a car covered in suds then it’s beyond doubt of course.

  • Beginning to think May is going to hang on all the way to Exit Day. It's all shits and giggles to old-money Brexiteers like Rees-Mogg and Johnson. They'll make a big show of standing up for their "principles" knowing full well they will never personally suffer consequences either way, so won't actually bring down the govt (unless accidentally). Reckon May knows this too.

  • They’re English is very poor but

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    edit: wrong reply oh well

  • The European Commission employs about 32,000 officials in total, working for all of Europe. The UK is now hiring an additional 8,000 officials - just to handle the #Brexit process.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06f65yq

    I expect we'll pay for them out of the Brexit Dividend - which somewhat concerningly Rees-Mogg said today would only be visible in the finances of the UK in *checks notes* 50 years time.

  • I expect we'll pay for them out of the Brexit Dividend - which somewhat concerningly Rees-Mogg said today would only be visible in the finances of the UK in checks notes 50 years time.

    Source? I did try to google

  • interview with Channel 4 News

  • Yep I am aware of all that, just bringing a counterpoint to the "brexit will trash housing prices so its all good"

    Belfast still has ok housing ATM but others problems... :)

  • What advantages? I’ve still yet to see a single Brexit-fan name something tangible.

  • insert some facile bollocks about 'sovereignty' here.

  • Sovereignty and trade have to be balanced - free trade involves submitting to a set of rules that enable said trade. You can have veritable buckets of sovereignty and trade purely on WTO, with no acknowledgement of any other standards than your own - but trade will be proportionally harder the more independent you wish to be.

    The thing I always wonder, when idiots bang on about "Global Britain" as a buccaneering free-trade capital, is "trading what, exactly?", the majority of our manufacturing is foreign owned and will leave, which gives us services (hard to put in a reefer and sell cheap to Brazil), and agricultural produce. Are we going to take over the world by selling apples?

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