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Mhmm, thought as much. I like the idea of the caad12 but then keep thinking I could do a lot of work to the arkose for the same money, or just drop the cash on something like this: https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/cube-attain-gtc-sl-disc-frame-carbon-n-flashyellow-610622
Anyway, I've derailed the pinnacle thread enough.
Here is the Arkose to apologise
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I’ve got an Arkose and a caad12 disc.
I do love my Arkose but it’s nothing on the caad for road riding.
The caad is very stiff and a hell of a lot faster for the same effort.