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i have absolutely no idea.. no info floating around. they are both from the san patrignano era (it is a rehab center where people can participate in various activities - pesenti thaught them framebuilding, so they were most likely not built by the laserman himself)
i have been on the lookout for a track frame to have a matching pair :) they are nothing special (i mean, tubing-wise - the road one has a sticker that says "tubi progetti - tau - butted tubes, 25CrMo4"), but hey. they are the closest i'm going to get to a laser :D
well.. this happened.