• It's a good question r.e. bladder, I have a handful and the shape can be awkward, the Camelbak one while is a brilliant hydration pack, have a massive cap which need to be store vertical in a frame bag.

    The one @cake recommended (Platypus) look idea to be stored in a frame and wish I have gone for that one.

    A 1 litres bladder is recommended, max 2 litres as that's way more than 3 bottles worth!

    Echoing's @laner a custom frame bag is only worth it if you're going full frame bag, half frame bag already work for nearly all of the road bike out there.

    I have been touring in the last week with a 2 litres bladder, and it was great to be able to drink without being concern about rationing the water from the bottle.

    I'm gonna do a lots more research on this, it would be great if a company produced a bikepacking hydration pack that sit neatly in the frame bag.

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