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  • I would get frame only, but the UK distro doesn't have any at the moment, except in XS.

    2018 frame is E650 (oof) from the only place in Germany I can find selling it:
    https://www.bike24.com/p2271244.html

    But I have found the 2016 version for E559:
    http://kingdomstore.de/shop/bombtrack-2016-arise-frameset/

    It doesn't come with discs, but I could transfer all my bits across, saving quite a bit of money. In fact, I have some V brakes in the cellar, so the frame would be the total cost.

    E559 is still a lot, but I really want sliding dropouts and the other stuff this frame has and can't find anything else that has all those features...

  • You can get two kodes for that (paid 290euro incl shipping to Zjermany), excluding the 10% bc discount.

    Some chaintugs and, as edscoble would say, bobs your uncle.

  • Some chaintugs and, as edscoble would say, bobs your uncle.

    I am swinging towards this, partly because to be honest so far my test riding of this particular Arise has been a bit disappointing, so shelling out so much on the frame doesn't seem like the best move.

    I do think it's probably the set up/parts. Those Kenda tyres are neither fish nor foul and slow it down, it has some VERY wide handlebars and I think the set back seatpost puts me in slightly the wrong position. Also the brakes are rubbish, even in these bone dry conditions - apparently they're pretty much useless in the wet - and the saddle is not comfortable. At all. But even with the saddle at the right height it feels like my power isn't going down properly.

    Apart from that it's fine :)

    What 650b wheels are you using @Rodolfo ?

    @aka if I get one my build will be much more boring and sensible than yours!

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