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The substances are well specced for the price, but they are really heavy, noticeably so.
I do like steel, i sold my arkose in the end for it being alu. Little things like the threads for fenders, racks etc always so much more fragile than on steel frames. I've never had an alu bike that I've felt is a 'lifer', whereas I have two steel bikes that are certainly lifers. Just my views, that nobody asked for...
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Spinnnout and sion, Thanks for the reply's. The vitus substance looks really nice, and its steel..