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https://twitter.com/peerq/status/1004450319311560705
https://www.condorcycles.com/products/condor-bivio-gravel-frameset
vs
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/verenti-substance-ii-apex1-2017-adventure-road-bike-oran/
This is not the rapha 'bib shorts for £200!?!!' comparison either. Its quite apple to apple. Steel frame (I know Condor is spirit but meh) with carbon forks. Verenti actually has modern standards like flat mount and thru-axle front/rear.
Madness.
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