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• #2202
Hard to describe without a massive essay, so I'll take the easy route: Because by making a sacrifice* and attending a 'mainstream' event he will have been seen to not be dicking about and there will have been no story.
* I can't attend this event run by these cool guys because context grumble grumble.
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• #2203
Someone would've made a story.
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• #2204
True.
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• #2205
I can see both sides of the argument. I personally think it is a good thing he went to the event.
On the flipside, breaking the negative news cycle is politics 101. Jeremy being Jeremy created the opportunity to perpetuate it.
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• #2206
Perhaps it was a shrewd move to ramp it up to the point of absurdity.
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• #2207
Not meaning to sidetrack, but upthread a few people have said that anti-semitism is also present on the political right. Whilst I'm aware of other incidents of racism / dog whistle politics (Zac's campaign, May's "go back immigrants" vans) I'm not aware of any specific incidences of anti-Semitism on the right. Have been discussing with a (quite right wing) colleague and some concrete examples would be good context, because at the moment it does seem like a problem of the left specifically... Any examples would be welcome
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• #2208
A fair few of them have a penchant for dressing up like nazis on the weekend. Make of that what you will.
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• #2209
Stoking Jewish/Muslim divisions for political gains?
Farage believes in global Jewish conspiracy?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/us-jewish-lobby-nigel-farage-power-anti-semitism-ukip-leader-a8031191.htmlBit old, but who anti-semites vote for:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11345858/Revealed-the-most-anti-Semitic-people-in-Britain-and-who-they-vote-for.html
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• #2210
It is absurd.
Labour needs to be explicit and concrete in its response to antisemitism claims. This is how they should be judged.
At the same time, those making the claims/demands should not politicize their actions (which the initial demonstration explicitly did - as is in, was explicit that it was not affiliated politically to any parties or states), and not politicize their responses to acts by JC/Labour.
JC is a left-wing activist who went to an event organized by left-wing activists. JC claims he is not an anti-Semite and spent a number of hours hanging out with Jews. You may dislike the politics, but this story is not relevant to Labour antisemitism unless you are making unstated assumptions about what it is to be left-wing and/or what it is to be Jewish.
Imho.
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• #2211
Ta. I can foresee already that the argument will be (a) these aren't all Tories but most are ukip / leave.eu; and (b) where they are Tories they got kicked out (and hence this is the difference). But useful to see.
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• #2212
Reuters headline is "Labour leader Corbyn criticised for spending Passover with anti-Israel group"
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• #2213
Well you have prominent Conservatives who are Jewish and the former leader and shadow chancellor were subject to a anti-semitic election poster campaign by Campbell...
... so you're probably going to have to tread carefully in any debate.
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• #2214
I gotta say, this becomes more exhausting and more impenetrable every day that goes on, its almost like a Frummer Seder night.....
My original reaction was that this Jewdas stuff is ridiculous but then I find out that jewdas have been pushing the idea of the antisemitism claims as a smear on Labour.... I know people in Jewdas and like them alot but...I can also see the point of view of Jonathan Arkush, as much as I dislike him individually.
The below take from Adam Wagner is probably the best view on it that Ive seen so far:
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• #2215
More general list of shithouse behaviour, but includes a bit of nazi fancy dress towards the beginning. Didn't spot Rees-Mogg's racist dinner party on there though.
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• #2216
That was my thoughts, now that everyones talking about "it was the wrong type of Jew"
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• #2217
Did cross my mind too ... wouldn't be too far off the mark for Corbyn & Team
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• #2218
Diverse crowd.
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• #2219
I've not read the BBC article, but have seen a couple of references to this on Twitter... - what am I missing?
Any nuance in the story or attempt at a balanced view based on the facts? I think twitter is a very unhelpful platform for issues like this
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• #2220
Frankly, it's all very suspicious. In one version of the story, Corbyn brought beetroot, in another horseradish from his allotment. And was it even from his allotment? We deserve to know the truth.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/jeremy-corbyn-passover-jewdas-good-news
https://labourlist.org/2018/04/why-im-glad-corbyn-came-to-the-jewdas-seder/
Now that Malcolm Rifkind has, sharp-mindedly as usual, established beyond any doubt from what Corbyn has said that he is 'on the same side, essentially, as the Russians', the possibility that Corbyn may grow either of these Eastern European vegetables on his allotment takes on added resonance. Is he trying to turn the soil of Britain into an outpost of the Putin Empire?
It all makes me quite sad and I need a happy song to restore my hope in humanity.
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• #2221
More seriously, I thought this was quite a good letters page:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/30/labour-antisemitism-and-criticism-of-israel
I also liked this article:
Sorry if either has been posted before. I couldn't keep up with this thread.
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• #2222
the second one has been shared by a few jewish friends as being, if not completely their views, as close as it gets in the media.
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• #2223
Skip to 0.46
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• #2224
An interesting point of view
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• #2225
Oh my darling buds of May, here's someone who needs a bit of thinking training. Inferring from false premises via a series of fallacies does not a conclusion make. tl;dr: He is entirely wrong.
Just to be clear I think this is BS, but you asked the question.
Rather than choosing a mainstream organization, like one of the ones that lead the protest, he's chosen a controversial one. More over it's a group that has been both critical of the antisemitism story and of Israel.
So on balance it looks a bit like he's sticking two fingers up at the people who've spearheaded this issue.