• What are your thoughts on the Diverge? 20mm shorter chainstays than the Arkose, and 1 degree steeper head angle, same offset, but can't see the trail measurement for Arkose to compare. Seems like it might be a bit more "nippy".

    C40 isn't that nimble either, rides wonderfully but far from nippy. If I'd ever want a gravel bike, I'd like it to handle like a C40

    Don't get an Arkose then.

    I had a Croix de Fer before and the frame felt dead, but a bit of life in the handling. Brother Kepler looks a pretty good compromise between being able to take 42c tyres (which the CDF can't) and not being too big.

  • What are your thoughts on the Diverge? 20mm shorter chainstays than the Arkose, and 1 degree steeper head angle, same offset, but can't see the trial measurement for Arkose to compare. Seems like it might be a bit more "nippy".

    I have ridden it (2018 model) and it felt closer to the Roubaix than the Sequoia (the Sequoia felt almost identical to the Arkose but heavier), it felt like a fun bike to ride but alias was too expensive to buy and somewhat felt like a compromise, like why can't it feel more like the Tarmac if they made it feel like a Roubaix? it feel like it can be pushed very hard but it still scream at you that it's not a race bike.

    It feel like they're being cautious with the handling of the Diverge, rather than proper gravel, or proper road.

    Having a proper road geometry bike with massive tyres is a huge bag of fun.

    I never really think about wheelbase, I only notice it in cities where I have to do tight turn, all I notice is the handling of the bicycle, whether it's allow me to make minimal input or more work in a turn.

    Latest Croix de Fer can take 42mm tyres, even massive 650b too.

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