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Fine but when I call out someone for being antisemitic, or Islamophobic or anything else I don't say 'stop being antisemitic, ohh and by the way I realise its also a problem in wider society so please don't feel like I'm singling you out because I do realise that loads of other people are racist too and that you are a small racist part of a larger racist problem'. If you are asking us to do that then I think your point is...well I don't really think that you have one.
Either way, though I would like to vote for Labour, I don't think that there is a place for Jews in the Labour Party at the moment and I haven't for a good while and so won't do so. I know that many other Jews feel the same and I hope the leadership deal with it.
Anyway I'm not gonna go on about this anymore because its pretty exhausting.
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Fine but when I call out someone for being antisemitic, or Islamophobic or anything else I don't say 'stop being antisemitic, ohh and by the way I realise its also a problem in wider society so please don't feel like I'm singling you out because I do realise that loads of other people are racist too
Of course not, you'd be talking to the person doing the racism. That's a different situation from discussing the prevalence of institutional racism in a political organisation, and ideally politics as a whole while you're at it. I'm not trying to disagree with you, but think that while the problems are real, they have been somewhat hijacked for political gain.
snottyotter
I wasn't trying to be antagonistic (why I left it alone on Facebook the other night, seems a better place to actually discuss things here)
I'm not trying to tell you what you already know about racism. I'm trying to say that when attempting to deal with an issue that is more widespread than just the labour party, it's not unhelpful to look further afield than the labour party when doing so. Ignoring the issue and saying "the tories are worse" is wrong, but as is focusing solely and intently on Labour until it is "fixed" when it's more widespread. I do think there is a problem in the labour party, whether that problem is more or less intense than the population as a whole I'm unsure, but either way a problem is a problem.
I've voted Labour before and definitely would under Corbyn again, I support him but am not a Labour member, it's not my personal problem to deal with before I talk about other issues.