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  • ‘I won’t for Labour/Conservatives are now the party for me’
    I do not doubt there is anti-semitism within the Labour Party, I’ve reported racist memes/comments myself on Facebook groups but as a stick with which to exclusively beat labour it seems extremely contrived. I don’t think Jewish people are selling their history short to score cheap points, I think their very real fears and concerns are being used by a terrified establishment.

  • But it's the Jews making the complaints, not the establishment.

    As I said upthread, pointing fingers at others like the Tories is a distraction from the issue.

    This is surely a great opportunity for Labour to affirm and make a public point to show that there is substance behind their slogans and not to get defensive and regard it a a stick beating them

  • Do you not find the timing questionable? An ancient comment dragged up now and stirred into a frenzy? Never mind the bad faith of people not interested in ever voting for labour suddenly bothered about internal reform!
    I agree with your last point though, it would be great if it was stamped on hard from the top. I think the defensiveness has come more from normal people going ‘but I’m not anti-Semitic???’.

  • But it's the Jews making the complaints, not the establishment.

    And

    On a personal level, what I have found most depressing about antisemitism in Labour is the ready assumption that Jews would so readily sell short millennia of persecution for an easy political hit. Our history is not a bargaining chip. It is a threat we have faced from generation to generation in some form or other. In the last century, most calamitously

    I don't doubt these statements at all, there is a problem of anti semitism in the labour party and I don't think Jews complaining about it are doing so with some kind of political motive with the timing. However I've no doubt that other people who can see these complaints as something that can be focused on intently at certain times and used for political gain will do so with no real regard to using your history as their bargaining chip.
    I also think dismissing pointing out that the whole political system, and society as a whole is awash with institutionalised racism as whataboutary doesn't really help anybody. Yes it should be tackled at a local Labour level, and at a national Labour level, but also at a whole of government and further afield too. Getting your own house in order is important, especially as it's what you have most control over, but you need to look outside and see what's happening on the rest of the street too as a tidy living room isn't going to help much when next door is burning down.

    #pushingmetaphorstoofar

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