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I share a workshop with Geoff and he really does care that you leave with a good frame. His courses are too cheap and he includes far too much if you ask me but that's a bonus if you want to do his course.
The standard of frame you come away with is very good. If you do the course, take your own frame to the painters and compare it to some of the "pros" and you'll see what I mean.
P.s if you ask to do a wishbone or something really awkward to stress him out, I'll buy you a pint in the pub across the road :D
Markgee
Brommers
Geoff certainly qualifies on the miserable front. Not sure about jaded. He can be a bit too perky for that. But @Cycliste has just ordered a new touring frameset from him, and I'm about to book another framebuilding course in August, so he's obviously doing something right.