That Corbyn fella...

Both not ok.

But also voting Tory is never ok.

Because that means racism + death of the NHS + other nasty shit that they do.

And Boris Johnson.

@amey - strong teenslain meme dump.

The question that springs to mind is how much bloody jewelry does Zac have!

What is funny though is Blairites complaining about antisemitism

you are all aware that there any number of people from the jewish community are calling bullshit on the claims of labour anti-semitism - or are they to be ignored since they don't suit the centrist / tory narrative?

frankly, anyone choosing to abstain / not vote for the one party that stands the best chance of putting end to the ideologically motivated cuts to public services that have resulted in untold suffering for people far less fortunate than you or I speaks volumes about their privilege.

Corbyn does not tolerate anti-Semitism or any kind of racism and never has this whole media circus has been orchestrated by the British Board of Deputies key elements in the right wing media who are a self selected and un-elected group supposedly representing British Jews lead by a Tory. This is utter smoke screen to cover up all the shit the Tories are currently in.

Can someone explain why Ken Livingstone wasn't expelled from the Labour party?

Has anyone actually seen the ‘full of anti-Semitic tropes’ mural?

It's more a combination of people actually protesting in parliament Square (which is unusual), and acknowledgements from within the party that the internal review hasn't been followed up with action quickly enough.

Lets for argument's sake assume that everyone is a racist (I mean look at Trump).

Why not vote for a "racist" who will stand by the NHS?

Can someone explain how, whilst not looking at the mural properly, Corbyn was able to detect the artistic parallels with the work of Diego Rivera and the cabalistic theme that brought Rockefeller to mind in his reply?

I know the man is an Arsenal fan, but the Wenger defence really doesn't cut ice.

Not in the flesh, but yes.

It's your standard "globalist capitalist jew" image.

By the way, I don't think Corbyn is an anti semite. I do think he is prepared to overlook the antisemitism of others if their worldview aligns with his own. That is a big problem.

thought it was bankers pictured? including Rothschilds

I do think he is prepared to overlook the antisemitism of others if their worldview aligns with his own.

Utter bollocks.

How do you explain Ken and mural-gate then?

Maybe I've spent too much time looking at antisemitic propaganda over the years, but I struggle to see how it's possible to miss the usual tropes ;

• large noses
  
• beards
  
• counting money on the backs of the workers
  
  

Much of the Nazis propaganda (which wasn't especially unique in a European context) tends to run along two rough themes; the dirty poor jew - always with his hand and in contrast to the pure hard worker, and the globalist capitalist jew - part of a global plot involving families like the Rothschilds pulling the strings of the world.

I’ve only seen bad quality photos and I’m not au-fait with said tropes but by all accounts the actual people depicted are of multiple faiths. I’m genuinely wondering if there’s more to it than that or a dog-whistle thing or just a bit dodgy and made the most of.

Edit: just seen the HQ photo above, thanks.

it's a proper shitty piece of work - sub banksy levels of sophomoric agit-prop bollocks and corbyn was a fucking arse to have not seen it for what it was and he's said as much.

it might have had a point had whichever shitwipe made it had laid off the "TEH JOOOZ" angle, but even then it would still have political and artisitic gravitas of a picture of che guevara on a teenagers bedroom wall.

I think a good analogy here is blacking up like Minstrels. In a European context its a bit dodgy/bad taste, whereas in the US there are much more hurtful connotations.

It's important to see this in light of people's Grandparents' families being wiped out following a time when depictions of Jews like this were in the papers, and there was a quite widely held view that they had caused and profited from the wall st crash.

And let's be honest here. Bankers look like this:

I agree the mural is antisemitic.

Seperately - is the idea that the world is controlled by a load of rich bastards a dogwhistle anti-semitism thing and I just never got it?

New World Order, Illuminati symbolism.....is it really antisemitic, or is it a clumsy generalisation about 'conspiracy'?

Interesting that yet again its the PLP making all the noise....

Sort of, yes.

There's a centuries old history of conspiracy theories tying international finance to melevelant groups/forces - usually comprising of Jews and Freemasons. More recently this is seems to be bound up with the illuminati, and... I guess neo-Christian(?) devil related stuff, mainly from the US.

I'd rather not embed but this gives you an idea

ideologically motivated cuts to public services

Maybe they're motivated by the 2 trillion pound national debt?

struggle to see how it's possible to miss the usual tropes ;

large noses
beards
counting money on the backs of the workers

Easy to see how you could look at this and not see anything anti-semitic. There's one beard among the six figures (when you blow it up, he's the most obvious stereotype). The guy in the right looks like Gandhi. Counting money on the backs of workers is a very obvious anti-capitalist motif. Nose-size - not that easy to tell, even looking on laptop rather than phone.

It looks like a standard Class War-type mural, the anti-semitism's a bit more subtle.

Tories will be pissing themselves at how well this has been played by their helpful idiots - they can convince people that they're the party of the poor, that the NHS is safe with them, that Labour is the party of racism and bigotry etcetc - cunts just can't fucking lose.

Pretty sure there's more money on taxing corporations and the filthy rich than in taking wheelchairs away from disabled folks.

The rich already pay a lot more tax than anyone else. Isn't taxing them even more kinda discriminatory?