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i'm no fan of his brexit position either, but one of the biggest criticisms levelled against corbyn was that he was unelectable - like it or loathe it, the position he's subsequently taken is clearly an attempt to appeal to the majority, thusly making him potentially electable. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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i want shot of the tories. by any means necessary at this point. if that means with corbyn as leader, then fine - if someone else wants to step up and lead the charge, that works too.
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My 2p; JC and Labour are handing their Brexit position pretty well.
Tbh given the topic's divisive nature, not least between the MPs views Vs voters, you could say they're doing really well. Getting rid of Owen thingybob came across as strong and decisive. So he can do it when he puts his mind to it.
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Fair enough. I doubt anyone really gives two shits about TM or the poisoned Russians but it does involve the big boys.
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seriously - next GE just fucking vote labour, adios torycuntz, we'll sort it out afterwards, yeah?
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apologised unreservedly for his lack of due diligence.
Characterising it as lack of due diligence is exactly the problem. It just doesn't wash. Let's hope for the sake of the Labour party they actually take the problem seriously this time.
It certainly isn't just a Labour problem but none of the other main party leaders seem to have got themselves into the mess that JC has and even if they had it is no reason not to condemn him for it.
Well that's my tuppence worth. I'll stick to cheese puns from now on.
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I think that by the time the next general election comes around, the Tories and DUP may well have succeeded in gerrymandering it and may succeed in keeping Labour out. One of May's key mistakes in calling the last election was that there wasn't enough time to put in place the gerrymandering planned by Osborne et al., so that it was still run on existing constituency boundaries and without voter ID. With these in place, I think it's very likely that Labour will lose. Here's a recent article on the subject:
I'm sure the Tories are engaged in advancing the current Boundary Review, too.
A popular movement might still cause a sea change, of course, but I think this is unlikely after Corbyn's warning shot across the Tories' bow.
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To be fair Oliver, the electoral system favours Labour at the moment. Labour held seats tend to be smaller than Conservative held ones. It takes fewer votes to elect an MP in a Labour constituency and more to elect an MP in a Tory constituency.
Labour have in the past played the boundary game better than the other parties.
Though it's not gerrymandering on the US level just normal politics. The answer is, of course, a PR system, but the inept Lib Dems lost any chance of that happening for a generation. -
I'm obviously not implying there isn't a need for ensuring electoral fairness, but as you know, the new plans merely continue the see-saw, and this time certainly in more dramatic fashion than before, which is why I shall continue to call it gerrymandering.
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take the problem seriously this time.
but that's it, isn't it? "they" are seen as everyone that isn't the established PLP, and instead of disabusing the electorate of the frankly easily falsifiable notion that labour = anti semitic, they (the majority of the PLP) choose to side all too readily with the finger pointers, one can only presume as an attempt to further undermine the leadership of the party they allegedly are representative of, as they view corbyn etc. as being unworthy of the position they feel is theirs by right.
hey ho. i do hope you, and others in this thread, see fit to hold your nose and vote labour regardless. christ knows i didn't the last time a labour government was in power.
there's folks out there who's lives / sanity are more important than your (or my) principles.
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FEWER!
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hold your nose and vote labour
Hold your nose to racism? No thanks. You talk as if there isn't ample evidence of a failure to address this problem within the Labour party. Senior figures have readily admitted as much.
In fact, this whole line of trying to excuse unacceptable views amongst a strain of the left makes me feel a little sick. You either have principles or you don't. Ignore one, ignore them all. Otherwise you're no better than the other lot. Now I really will make myself scarce.
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suit yourself boss.
your posts suggests i am in some way excusing racist behaviour. i'm really not. your assertion that corbyn is a racist is something i disagree with in the strongest possible terms. i grew up surrounded by actual racists - i know one when i see one, and corbyn ain't it.
there's more at stake here than your (or my) perceptions. the alternative is another 4 - 8 years of tory misrule - a party stacked to the rafters with actual, unapologetic racists, anti-semites and islamophobes.
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To me gerrymandering implies extreme and arbitrary boundary rigging. It's a bit like describing Cornyn's PR team as criminally negligent.
John Oliver did quite a good piece on it:
https://youtu.be/A-4dIImaodQ
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Maybe "has secured the major world players" would have been better.
We're obviously getting our news from different places.
The main point is she seems to have got the EU and US on board and NATO has now limited its Russian mission.
This can all be blown off as diplomatic show. But in diplomatic terms this is serious stuff and lays the ground for sanctions.