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  • Hmm. Fair enough.

    Got a link?

    Moral support can be greater than material in my mind. Not sure I agree with Jessie on that one. But given it’s not a race anyway, one can do as they wish.

  • Because if there's a small town and you book the only room in a B&B there... but don't turn up or book it for a whole week or whatever. If you deprive someone who is actually in a position to use this room while you are not, you are being a dick and breaking the rules.

  • TABR rules "Visitation: Family and friends may visit riders in route but can in no way provide material support or shelter."

  • Abdullah day 8 - 471km 3955m @ 25 km/h moving time 18h.49m elapsed: 23h.12m

  • I agree if you block book, but simple planning seems to be part of it to me.
    Not that I'd really know having not entered such an event.

  • But I can’t afford to fly my friends and family over to support me. So it’s unfair advantage to home riders.

  • It’s an advantage. Say I live in Germany or speak many languages, I can book more rooms or find better places. Or if I have endless time as a lazy student I can research and book places.

    See it or not, it’s an advantage that some might not be able to do. So it just levels the field.

  • Isn't that sport though, things aren't always equal or level.

  • Probably in one of these but the links are broken now...

    What is unsupported Part 1 & 2
    https://reportage.transcontinental.cc/?p=1351
    https://reportage.transcontinental.cc/?p=1378

  • So are you now pre-posing a ban or speaking another language besides your own? ;o)

  • Not this again.

    That's why there are rules. To even the competition so that it's more athlete vs. athlete and not "who thought of a clever way to gain an advantage".

  • Well yeah, but it's the rules so what can I do about it?

  • WayBack
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170802133154/https://reportage.transcontinental.cc/?p=1351

    What is Unsupported? Part One
    2015 Entry Responses and Rules Guidance

    What does “Unsupported” actually mean? – Easy, doing it on your own without any help right? Well the more one explores the concept, the less black and white it appears.

    Just like everything in life, its a little bit more complicated than that…

    Take for example meeting a stranger on your travels. They offer you a drink or they talk about the local area, the roads, the traffic or the weather. Such a meeting could have negative, zero, or positive effects on one’s race. Refusal to engage or accept their generosity could offend. Time spent chatting is time not putting the miles on the board. Its a valuable travelling experience but to the racer it could be seen as time wasted. On the other hand the timing of a glass of water, a meal or nugget of information could also be pivotal. First hand knowledge of the nature of the local geology, road closures, weather patterns or services could also prove to be acutely invaluable if the circumstances dictate.

    To a large extent it is down to the individual rider’s aptitude to make the best decisions and balance the cost vs benefit of time off the bike for learning about the forward conditions or sustaining themselves with beneficial rest and nutrition. This resourcefulness is the mark of the experienced and able adventure cyclist and where individual distinctions are made denote an individual’s style.

    Where though does the line lie between acceptance of and reliance on the kindness of others? When does self sufficiency give way to the solicitation of assistance and when do we agree that two styles diverge enough that one offers a competitive advantage and whether another has a positive or negative effect on the racing context as a whole?

    Where, if anywhere, should the rule book give hard answers? For it is the character of the race and the sport as to whether common practice, culture and etiquette might assert enough influence on the actions of riders and followers, or whether race regulation must intervene.

    This year when entries opened we took the opportunity to find out the current state of understanding amongst TCR applicants. This was something of an entry quiz, those showing an acute understanding of the issues highlighted themselves as positive ambassadors for autonomous racing and were spared from the ballot. There were certainly good and bad answers. There weren’t however any wrong answers.

    The entry process had one major mandate, to promote thought and discussion on the nuances of unsupported travel. To discover what is already the common thinking and on what issues additional guidance might be needed.

    The questions were posed to riders under two main premises, though these clearly overlap: What is “Private Resupply?” and What is “Dedicated Outside Assistance?” In Part I we look at the first of these.

    Private Resupply

    The rules state that “equipment and supplies must be carried or found at commercial services”. These are methods of re-supply that are open to all competitors. If a racer has access to services and supplies that any other rider arriving at the same time in the same circumstances would most likely not have, then this is Private Resupply. It is the supply of equipment that is specifically for one rider at the exclusion of others and it is prohibited. Therefore we asked what constitutes Private Resupply?

    1. A support vehicle with food and drink.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 93% // No: 7%

    Private Resupply 1

    TCR Says: This is the obvious differentiator between supported and unsupported to get us started. We might consider this our “Control Question” and the 7% as our error in those who might have given blanket answers to all questions or misinterpreted the affirmative/negative premise of the question. There’s a clue in the question; “support vehicle” is not unsupported in anyone’s book. There’s no question about this one, its against the rules.

    TCR Verdict: Yes, this is most definitely private resupply.

    1. Stopping off at my house to get spare parts.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 87% // No: 13%

    TCR Says: This is another one that should be rather obvious, there is nothing more Private Resupply than stopping at your own house and a large majority of riders agree. Some may consider that without an on-road support vehicle then the ride is un-supported and anything else is fair game and it would surely be tempting for those who live along the route to pop in for a cup of tea. With the best will in the world though no-one is going to open their house to serve all the riders equally. TCR makes an explicit judgement here, any rider going home during the race may as well stay there. Its totally against the rules, as is staying there or sleeping in the garden. TCR will have to live with the fact that some riders will know many of the roads and routes along the way, while others won’t. This is the benefit of experience and gaining experience is not against the rules.

    TCR Verdict: Yes, this is private resupply.

    1. Stopping off at my friend’s house to get spare parts

    Applicants answered: Yes: 90% // No: 10%

    TCR Says: Curiously more riders answered yes to this being private resupply than their own home. Perhaps they see their friends as more supportive, or just less tempting. The same rules apply though, you already know them and if its a private address its a relationship which is not available to all the other riders, so its explicitly against the rules to take any resupply, services or accommodation there. Even friends meeting you at public locations is private re-supply if they bring with them any supplies or equipment or perform any service for you of any kind. It doesn’t have to be a private location to receive Private Resupply.

    TCR Verdict: Yes, this is private resupply.

    1. Stopping off at a Bike Shop to get Spare Parts.

    Applicants answered. Yes: 11% // No: 89%

    TCR Says: Totally OK this one and not Private Resupply, its what bike shops are for and that’s well understood by our riders too. If its a legitimate commercial business and you are not receiving any special treatment then its all good.

    TCR Verdict: No, this is perfectly OK and not private resupply.

    1. Stopping off at my Friend’s Bike Shop after hours to get Spare Parts.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 91% // No: 9%

    TCR Says: Another one well understood by our applicant racers. The issue is not that it’s your friend’s shop. If they are open to everyone then they are open to you too. What’s not OK is if they are open to you when they are not open to everyone else. Sometimes bike shops along the route of well known unsupported bike races (such as the Tour Divide for example) will go to extra lengths to service racers by giving them food and water and helping with accommodation or by extending opening hours. This is OK to an extent but they must provide the same service to all racers, not just the leaders or friends of the shop. In the case of Transcontinental, we would always suggest that any bike shops who are aware of the passing of the race or knowingly serving TCR riders to make contact with the race, especially if they intend to extend their services outside of their normal operation. We would hope that bike shops would like to join us in promoting a fair race by being in good communication with TCR admin and so that TCR can help riders in need discover them.

    TCR Verdict: Yes, this is private resupply.

    1. Getting a bottle of water from a stranger.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 30% // No: 70%

    TCR Says: This is a more ambiguous proposition and one which divides our applicants more in their answers with 30% believing it to be a case of Private Resupply. On the whole it would be OK to accept such an offer. Other races, often off-road wilderness based events, might call this “Trail Magic” as it is essentially an unsolicited offer which is based mainly in fortune and usually deemed OK to receive. If the rider and offering party have no prior knowledge of each other or their meeting then its legit. If a rider is in dire need of water it would, as a last resort and having exhausted all reasonable commercial and natural sources, seek water from private individuals. However riders shouldn’t make a habit of begging for aid in this way and should not access private property uninvited. Transcontinental is not a wilderness race; water is plentiful along the route and it is the rider’s responsibility to maintain a good supply from legitimate sources.

    TCR Verdict: No, this is not private resupply.

    1. Stopping for a Meal with a Local Family.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 42% // No: 58%

    TCR Says: Again our applicants are split on this one with a slim majority for the case that it is not Private Resupply. Here once more the important thing is that riders do not invite themselves or solicit such a gift, or that they do not have any prior knowledge of the meeting or the people. If it is a happenchance meeting and a kind offer we wouldn’t like to see racers pass up such an opportunity, but likely it won’t be the most expedient way to eat, so not a good habit for the front runners. It may also draw claims of foul play if it does look too good to be true so be careful with this one and if a race result is what you want, maybe keep this one for touring.

    TCR Verdict: No, this is not private resupply.

    1. Staying with local people I just met.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 38% // No: 62%

    TCR Says: TCR would advise that racers don’t view local people as a standard accommodation resource. However this would not be expressly against the rules and as such could be accepted if offered provided it is completely unsolicited and not pre-arranged. You may be asked to prove it was legit if a race result hangs in the balance or there is a complaint made. Often such arrangements don’t gift themselves to the racer’s schedule and you may end up staying longer than you anticipated or finishing the days riding earlier. If truth be told its best avoided, unless you are just out for adventure and to have fun.

    TCR Verdict: No, this is not private resupply.

    1. Sending myself a package to a hotel

    Applicants answered: Yes: 79% // No: 21%

    TCR Says: In many unsupported races sending yourself an equipment drop is seen to be OK, but the condition is usually that you should only send it to an official post office. Sending a package to a hotel means you must have already pre-arranged accommodation, or at least an arrangement to pick it up, even if you weren’t going to stay there. Forward booking of such services is generally frowned upon as, if a racer were to have an inexhaustible budget, then they could send many packages to many hotels and have the pick and choose of what they pick up. This would change the landscape of the challenge significantly and be the preserve of the very well financed. As Transcontinental puts the accessibility of the race as one of its priorities it is important to us that there is not a means by which the TCR can become a war of resources. Also the Transcontinental is not the longest or remotest race out there, you should be able to find what you need most places. If you have a bespoke thingy-ma-bob that needs special parts, maybe think about if you really need it or can you make do with what everyone else has access to. If you can’t live without it, is TCR really for you? Most bike related things are readily available until you leave Italy and sending packages to any places further East can be a bit hit and miss in terms of delivery and often incur large duties. TCR makes the judgement that shipping of supplies is not within the rules. Temporary storage or jettison of major equipment and supplies is also prohibited. Any exceptions to this are at the express permission of the race director.

    TCR Verdict: Yes, this is private resupply.

    Next time in part II we’ll look at the answers to the second question: What is Dedicated Outside Assistance?

  • Nothing. I take back what I said. I didn’t think it was allowed. But as it’s legal, so be it.

  • I understand you need rules however, see these long distance things are very not athlete against athlete there are many other variants. Part of what makes it so interesting... to me at least.

  • https://web.archive.org/web/20170802130431/https://reportage.transcontinental.cc/?p=1378

    What is Unsupported? Part Two
    2015 Entry Responses and Rules Guidance

    What does “Unsupported” or “Self-Supported” actually mean? – Easy right; doing it on your own without any help? Well the more one explores the concept, the less black and white it appears. Just like everything in life; its a little bit more complicated than that…

    This year when entries opened we took the opportunity to find out the current state of understanding amongst TCR applicants.

    The entry process had one major mandate: to promote thought and discussion on the nuances of unsupported travel. To discover what is already the common thinking and on what issues additional guidance might be needed.

    The questions were posed to riders under two main premises. In Part I we looked at the first of these What is “Private Resupply”?. Now we look at the second: What is “Dedicated Outside Assistance”?

    Part II: Outside Assistance

    The rules state “no outside support” is permitted but what constitutes outside support? or ‘dedicated outside assistance’ as we called it in our quiz. This, as we mentioned before, overlaps with Private Resupply to some degree but deals more with intangible services and information than it does with equipment and nourishment. Previous editions of the Transcontinental have shown that the understanding of this by riders has been something of a grey area and some equipment sharing, phone-a-friend navigation and hotel room booking has been known to occur, particularly in the midpack. Whilst some riders may have had a degree of dependency on each other, some others flew totally solo. With the introduction of the pairs category we can be firmer with what we regard as assistance, yet riders can still look out for the safety of one-another without having to drop out of the race altogether. 2015 Rules with regard to pairs and assistance between riders state that if one rider helps another rider then they can become joined as a pair and will get the same time when they finish.

    On the whole riders should approach the race as if they were taking a completely solo trip across Europe, as if there were no race, as if there were no other riders and as if there were no contact with the people at home. In short they should do things for themselves.

    So then, what did our applicants deem to be dedicated outside assistance, and does TCR HQ agree?

    1. Another Rider Lending Me Their Pump.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 48% // No: 52%

    TCR Says: Perhaps the most even split of all the questions answered, the field is undecided on this one. However many bikepacking races are more sure when it comes to the sharing of equipment and it is generally forbidden. You may not of think it as assistance dedicated to one particular rider from outside of the race. Nevertheless sharing equipment is a no-no in self-supported races and it is in the Transcontinental too. Each rider must come equipped for their own race and not be reliant on others. They must prepare as if they were completing the task entirely on their own and no-one else were taking part in the ride, only then are they truly self supported. This applies to the sharing of information as it does the sharing of tools, clothing and food and this includes navigation.

    TCR Verdict: Yes this is outside assistance.

    1. Getting Directions from a Stranger.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 21% // No: 79%

    TCR Says: Of course riders should never get lost and will have their own carefully planned route to follow so they shouldn’t need to find directions right? Well, if you were riding across Europe entirely on your own, with no other riders going at the same time and no-one at home knowing that you were going either, then there would still be local people around that you could ask for directions. Local people giving you directions then is seen as a local resource that is legitimate to get information from. Its not a very quick, efficient or reliable means of navigation though and with language barriers thrown into the mix its not going to be a substitute for a well planned route but it is acceptable to stop and ask for directions within the rules of self-sufficiency.

    TCR Verdict: No this is not outside assistance.

    1. Getting My Bike Fixed at a Bike Shop.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 15% // No: 85%

    TCR Says: As the majority of our applicants agree, getting your bike fixed at a local bike shop is totally legit and not dedicated outside assistance since its a commercial service available to all. Finding the bike shop however is something you must do for yourself and not call home for help. You can use the internet, ask locally, pick up on other’s publicly available feeds or those from the race which might give you a clues but you should be doing the information gathering yourself from publicly available resources and not have someone doing the work for you.

    TCR Verdict: Not at all outside assistance.

    1. Calling Ahead (during the race) to Book a Hotel.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 18% // No: 82%

    TCR Says: When the race clock starts, calling ahead to book accommodation is legitimate. Booking out accommodation in advance of the race however may deny other racers a bed for the night which is subsequently not used by those who book it. This is a matter of racer etiquette rather than outright rule and is in the interests of equal opportunity for all riders. The correct etiquette is that riders should not make multiple bookings* and be confident of making good on all bookings. With the exception of singular bookings within 24hrs of the start bookings should be made whilst the race clock is running.

    *Multiple bookings means more than one per solo rider per night or more than two per pair per night.

    1. My Friend at Home / Partner booking me into a Hotel.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 93% // No: 7%

    TCR Says: TCR position is clear on this one; you do things for yourself. Our applicants clearly agree. Next!

    TCR Verdict: Yes, this is outside assistance.

    1. Calling my Friends / Family for Directions When I am lost.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 89% // No: 11%

    TCR Says: Also clearly outside assistance. 9 out of 10 applicants agree: If you are on the telephone calling for help, you’re doing it wrong. To all family and friends who get the call saying “I’m lost” the correct reply is “get unlost” – they’ll thank you for it one day.

    TCR Verdict: This is outside assistance.

    1. Calling Friends and Family to let them know you are OK.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 14% // No: 86%

    TCR Says: Of course people at home will be concerned about you. The trackers have a canny ability to make people worry like mad, even when there’s nothing wrong. You could go away for 2 weeks and not give them any idea of where you are going and they might not bat an eyelid but as soon as there is a little dot to watch and it stops moving, even the calmest follower gets excited. You should definitely keep in touch with all who care about you at home. This can be by phone but also equally good is via social media. It is often cheaper and quicker to log on to local wifi and give an update and it makes sure that the flow of information is one way.

    1. Calling Friends and Family to get Updates on Other Riders.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 84% // No: 16%

    TCR Says: Yes, this is outside assistance. People at home feeding you information about the status of the race is like having your own race manager, giving you information that you didn’t find for yourself and hence other riders may not be receiving.

    TCR Verdict: Yes this is outside assistance.

    1. Checking the Tracker and Social Media on a Smart Phone

    Applicants answered: Yes: 18% // No: 82%

    TCR Says: So long as you are doing the research yourself from sources in the public domain, its all legit.

    TCR Verdict: Not a case of outside assistance.

    1. Using an Approved Ferry Route.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 9% // No: 91%

    TCR Says: Easy one this, not pedalling but not outside assistance either and totally fine. Bear in mind in some editions ferries may be of no use to you whatsoever. Ferries are there where permitted to allow for more route options. They will rarely make for a shorter ride.

    TCR Verdict: Not outside assistance.

    1. Book Accommodation online for the Evening.

    Applicants answered: Yes: 20% // No: 80%

    TCR Says: Technically no different to no.4 this one. So long as the establishment is commercially available, you make the booking yourself and its done on race clock (or for use within 24hrs) then there’s no trouble. The technology used to book makes no difference.

    TCR Verdict: Not outside assistance.

    In Part III we’ll look at the answers applicants gave to the final part of the quiz on some specific parts of the TCR 2015 controls. For now we’ll leave you with a word on penalties and safety for the 2015 race.

    Minor infractions carry minor penalties, and are seen to be mistakes, not carrying shame. Remember that one’s safety and wellbeing should come first and are a prerequisite to a successful race. When a rider find themselves in a position where their safety and well being are compromised, such that they feel they must resort to rule breaking or dubious means of obtaining services or supplies, it is important they realise that they have already failed in their task. The correct course of action then is to look after their safety first. Their subsequent actions may be most commendable, given the situation, but out of respect for those who made further efforts not to find themselves in such a situation in the first instance, they are asked to assume there will not be a race finish awarded to them. Rather TCR asks that racers make good judgements and report truthfully and accurately on the outcomes such that mistakes can be learned from, actions can be understood and their ride can be judged on its merits regardless of its place on GC.

    Bon Route, Ride Safe.

  • Thanks I'll have a read.

  • I got bored looking at this but if youre a member of the dot watchers page on facebook you can see him taking outside assistance on a video by Tamer Bakr from his family in the shape of a big ass bottle of juice.

    Not that any this matters as it's not a race...

    @skinny

  • So, the official TCR rule at the time was...

    "When the race clock starts, calling ahead to book accommodation is legitimate. Booking out accommodation in advance of the race however may deny other racers a bed for the night which is subsequently not used by those who book it. This is a matter of racer etiquette rather than outright rule"

    "So long as the establishment is commercially available, you make the booking yourself and its done on race clock (or for use within 24hrs) then there’s no trouble."

  • Seems as though Abdullah stopped longer because he was with his other half.

    Is that in the spirit

    It's perfectly fine as long as all services are offered to other riders on an equal basis...

  • services

    I'm sure a few of the competitors could do with a service about now

  • What are they if not rider vs. rider? If I have a command centre at home given me constant weather updates, sending my navigation advice, competitor info, researching local knowledge then it's no longer rider vs. rider. The rules are made limit outside interference so that it IS rider vs. rider. Read the rules, understand why they are in place.

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