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• #7227
Was there anything in the report about those mystery testosterone patches ?
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• #7228
How was the Jiffy bag incident initially discovered? Was it a whistleblower?
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• #7229
Yes
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• #7230
possibly, how would you know if you're not a present medical professional?
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• #7231
No ribbon or gift card?
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• #7232
It's not a minor steroid though is it. David Miller (pre Sky scandal) describes it as the 'most potent' drug he used.
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• #7233
Here's a decent article on its history:
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• #7234
And here is what a medical doctor had to say about Millar's comments:
"An anabolic steroid like testosterone puts on muscle mass but this is
a catabolic steroid which breaks down muscle,” said Lipworth, who
sits on the WHO guidelines committee ARIA. “The benefits to David
Millar were probably the fact that he was taking EPO and testosterone
at the same time as he was using triamcinolone. So the anaobolic
effect of the testosterone probably counteracted the triamcinolone."David Millar was on a cocktail of drugs - I'm not sure how he has the nerve to weigh in on this.
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• #7235
Can we please keep Holy David out of this, don’t we have enough ex-dopers weighing in with their valuable contributions already?
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• #7236
That'll be why they ordered the testosterone patches then...
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• #7237
Was trying to make the point that he said this before the Sky scandal, therefore not (originally) an attempt at point scoring.
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• #7238
What is the difference between "legal" use of performance enhancing drugs and scientific based performance enhancing training techniques?
Both are often without regard to health. I have known more than a share of athletes-- who did not use drugs-- who were physically damaged by their sports-- athlete’s heart and heart arrhythmias being one of the most common of the lot. -
• #7239
Agree. David strikes me as a nice guy... but also a bit of an idiot.
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• #7240
Enjoying the constant 'what do you think about Wiggins' questions in the office the last day or two.
There's no new information is there?
Is this the revenge of JTL? Whoever fed those MPs info got them spouting like Twitter trolls.
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• #7241
Is there nothing else that will do the same job as the TUE substance and is the performance gain from it not more than he would've had without his "illness"?
The TUEC reviewed the medical history Sir Brad submitted and concluded that there was no alternative which would be as therapeutically effective, and that the performance gain was not more than restoration to normal health. If you haven't read the medical history and taken evidence on the effects of this substance, you're not in any position to question the decision of the TUEC.
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• #7242
I haven't read lots of stuff. Watch me question it...
Why are you lying to us? Were you in the mystery box, tester? Were you?!
You can't handle the truth! etc etc
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• #7243
What is the difference between "legal" use of performance enhancing drugs and scientific based performance enhancing training techniques?
From an athlete welfare point of view, nothing, but you might as well ask what the difference is between racing le Tour on safety bicycles and doing it on recumbents. Sports rules are arbitrary, and in the case of most sports there is an arbitrary distinction between physiological interventions which have the same costs and benefits to the athlete where one is considered natural and the other is considered synthetic. The line is drawn by moral philosophers drawing from classical antiquity and the Abrahamic faiths. There is an equally arbitrary distinction between "food" and "drugs", not just in sport but in society, one which varies between cultures. If global sports had originally been codified in China, the rules might be different.
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• #7244
Shane Sutton seems to be saying stuff
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• #7245
The testosterone was all for me?
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• #7246
Robert De Niro's talking.
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• #7247
Everybody's talking at me
I don't hear a word they're saying -
• #7248
Thanks for this. Unlike the Godfather Part 3 is very good as well.
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• #7249
Robert De Niro's talking.
Speaking Italian?
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• #7250
G. Thomas in idiotic quote shocker. ‘Easier to scrap tues’
Maybe people will disagree with that but, in my eyes, if you suffer so severely from asthma or allergies that over the counter medications, or medications that don't require TUEs such as Salbutamol can't control, its unfortunate but maybe your body isn't built for the rigours of professional sport.
"It might be unfair, but at the moment that's the only way I can see things becoming a bit more black and white."
I think David Walsh being on the telly box has got to him