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  • And in fact, after reading it again, the memo itself even says that the counterintelligence investigation of Trump's campaign was result of the Papadopolous information and not the dossier.

  • Also ignores the fact that FISA warrants won't just be dished out on one source of information.

  • The FBI isn't interested in helping you

    I take it you have recent cases in mind where the FBI has acted against the interests of Americans?

    ... it's impossible in reality to support both social and economic progress and neoliberal economics.

    Because ‘social and economic progress’ is a political brand. Largely the policies irl effects are detrimental to their goals. Obama knew this but jumped through the hoops anyway and was amazing at presentation.

  • Seth Abramson is doing what he does best on Twitter again. Well worth a read.

  • It really isn't difficult to find a number of examples of the FBI entrapping otherwise innocent people, assisting in political assassinations and planning false flag terrorist attacks, to name a few of their interests. They're perhaps a while away from being as outrageously evil as the CIA but nonetheless are not the friends of the American people.

    I'm not sure I agree with your second point. Identity politics is useful to liberals like Obama not only because of the positive optics (how people are still falling for this shit is beyond me) but also because promoting individualistic culture wars has a divide and conquer effect. I guess we learned a lesson with Trump that the right is better at uniting against "PC gone mad" type junk than the "left" is at maintaining a coherent intersectional movement.

    Edit: The end result of these kinds of idpol led culture wars is unimportant to the guys pulling the strings as long as they keep everyone fighting with each other. Obama and the Democrats thought they could play the game without risk of reprisal but their assessment was clearly very off.

  • It really isn't difficult to find a number of examples of the FBI entrapping otherwise innocent people, assisting in political assassinations and planning false flag terrorist attacks

    Help me out. Point me to some examples, so I know this isn’t just baseless slite that supports your hypothesis. It’s not something I remember reading in UK press.

  • Thanks to Butter and Spider to challenge some difficult stuff - and the rest.

  • Bigger than watergate?

  • Or an accelerating nothing burger?

  • The FBI was established by J Edgar "justice is incidental to law and order" Hoover in order to combat communists and other civil rights groups.

    COINTELPRO is well documented - an FBI surveillance programme which among other things helped cover up the execution of Fred Hampton and Black Panther associates. It was via COINTELPRO that the FBI also tried to blackmail MLK into killing himself, and to an unknown extent encouraged the assassination of Malcolm X. More recently (last year I think without looking it up) a leaked FBI memo exposed illegal surveillance of "black identity extremists" - read "scary black people".

    They've been called out by Human Rights Watch as having been actively involved in the planning of a number of terror plots, mostly for the purpose of entrapping suspects. Human Rights Watch concluded its report on FBI sting operations by suggesting that many of the entrapped suspects would not have committed any crime had it not been for the involvement of FBI intelligence officers. Check out the Newburgh Four for an example.

    They were found to be investigating Standing Rock activists last year and were allegedly sharing information with private mercenary groups hired by DAPL. There have also been relatively recent reports of a prevalent revolving door relationship between senior FBI agents and corporations carrying out surveillance on environmental activists.

    Also ACAB.

  • Do you need any more tinfoil?

  • Turkey foil for the win!

  • So firstly yes, Newburgh Four was classic entrapment. I'm not sure how much I trust HRW generally, they are privately funded, a bit popularist and they tried to paint that case as typical.

    The so called Cointelpro 2 story was (I imagine) pretty insulting to those close to the 60s Cointelpro and the damage that did. For the FBI to have a blind-spot for self-proclaimed militants would have been a dereliction of duty. There should be no sacred cow movements. White guilt or ‘being on the right side of history’ shouldn’t leave anyone untouchable either. Sure the FBI deliberately left the door open for overreach. No surprise: not ACAB but all will avoid limiting the remit of their investigation.

    Their hiring practice is imperfect but ... entirely standard afiak. Hate that and ... hate all of American politics and business.

  • Yes please I'm trying to build a satellite dish for my roof to hack the ISS camera feed and prove the world is flat to all you fuckin loser roundies.

  • But we don't have gender equality, Piers.

  • Also that stuff about the fbi is actually true and easily googled, but that doesn't mean we should somehow think trump actually has any kind of point.

    Also worth mentioning most of these seriously dodgy shit the American intelligence services have got up to was under republican leadership.

  • He seems to have stopped tweeting about the Dow. I wonder why.

  • There's always a tweet...

  • There's always a fake tweet anyway...

  • he is awfully quiet though, when is fox and friends on to find something else for him to talk about?

  • US markets open in fifteen minutes. Probably hiding behind the sofa.

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