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  • I guess we can go around and around in circles over points like these. Incremental change is fine if it actually drives progress - another Clinton presidency would not have. Sanders may have been a step in the right direction but I guess we'll never know.

    Piecemeal social progressivism coupled with exploitative economic policy is neoliberalism 101. How perverse it is to celebrate the Democrats for letting in a few thousand extra refugees than the actual open racist Trump, whilst they raze entire communities both domestically and abroad. Should we not be expecting more of our elected representatives? I hate that we've ended up in a situation where we can accept an utter failure like Hilary Clinton as a reasonable candidate for the Presidency simply because it's her turn and she's not Trump.

    I'm at risk of sounding like the nutter Alex Jones but I'd recommend reading the Podesta emails if you want a taste of the Clintons' contempt towards democracy.

  • " How perverse it is to celebrate the Democrats for letting in a few thousand extra refugees than the actual open racist Trump, whilst they raze entire communities both domestically and abroad. "

    Well it's possible Trump razes communities domestically and abroad AND is racist as a bonus, and anti woman and...

    but yeah, it's frustrating the standard is so low. And that it's dumb they still lost. Which also mirrors the UK, you'd think the conservatives would have been completely destroyed in the GE. But no, Labour still had no majority.

    I'm still not sure if economic liberalism AND social liberalism must always be wedded: The Tories are going towards economic liberalism and social authoritarianism atm. And Labour, talking about low standards, is now also talking the "but immigrants..." talk. Uppa Greens for me...

    QUOTE: Until somebody offers a real alternative to Trump and the conditions which gave us Trump, nothing will change. Bernie would have been a start, sure.
    Correct, I think we need better economists and less trickly down/pay less tax BS. And better education. And a less shitty media. Again, see Farage and UKIP. F-all solutions but the propaganda works.
    But, sometimes there IS such an alternative, and people still won't have it.

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