Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

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Bearlegged in reply to @frankenbike

The other problem is...

...that you seem to be in moon on a stick territory.
Strong, light, cheap; pick any two.

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frankenbike in reply to @Bearlegged

I want strong and "cheap". That's why I'm looking at 4kg frames like the Straggler et al. At no time have I ever want a carbon fibre touring frame

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Fforiwr in reply to @frankenbike

HAving a quick scan, sounds more like you're after a 'randonneur' frameset.

Twin Six
https://www.twinsix.com/products/standard-rando-frameset-black?variant=6044881539

All City Space Horse Disc:
https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/frames-forks-c6/road-frames-c47/space-horse-disc-frameset-p17361

Though I would also agree with others on the Arkose, The new Pinnacle Pyrolite sounds like it would suit. No frameset or fork only option - I've asked.

Alternatively, get an Arkose frameset and this fork:
https://www.bike-discount.de/de/kaufen/cube-travel-gabel-disc-black-n-green-684660
Aluminium with rack mounts but tapered headset and Postmount Discs.

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