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frankenbike in reply to @Brommers

I keep getting told off on here for talking about racks on carbon forks!

The other problem is failure. If I overload a carbon frame I'm out >£1000; I almost certainly can't accidentally overload a Straggler, TdF, etc.

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Bearlegged in reply to @frankenbike

The other problem is...

...that you seem to be in moon on a stick territory.
Strong, light, cheap; pick any two.

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frankenbike in reply to @Bearlegged

I want strong and "cheap". That's why I'm looking at 4kg frames like the Straggler et al. At no time have I ever want a carbon fibre touring frame

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