Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

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Brommers in reply to @frankenbike

Both the Tifosi and the Diamondback have rack mounts front and rear, so no need for bikepacking. Not that I'd buy either as a touring bike, mind you.

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frankenbike in reply to @Brommers

I keep getting told off on here for talking about racks on carbon forks!

The other problem is failure. If I overload a carbon frame I'm out >£1000; I almost certainly can't accidentally overload a Straggler, TdF, etc.

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Turkish in reply to @frankenbike

Even worrying about it falling over. Steel could take a dent and keep going for thousands of miles, a crack in carbon could be instant game over
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Bearlegged in reply to @frankenbike

The other problem is...

...that you seem to be in moon on a stick territory.
Strong, light, cheap; pick any two.

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